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Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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I bought my parents a Dell laptop in 2019/2020. It has 7th gen i3 so just below the Windows 11 threshold. The machine is in perfect shape as it's used a few times per month max for watching YouTube or some online banking, or occasional LibreOffice usage. I don't want to generate electronic waste, what would you recommend? Installing Linux Mint? Note: I'm far from my parents so can't do IT support. Edit: also occasion…

Install Win 11 anyway. Bypass instructions are on YouTube, Reddit, Github, tech blogs, etc.

odds are they'll push out an update that requires a CPU feature not present on that CPU

then GP parents' machine will just bluescreen at boot with illegal instruction

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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I have to say that after switching to Windows 11, I don't hate it as much as I thought I would. I'm still a bit upset that they took away vertical taskbars from us, but some things like multi-GPU support is better than in Windows 10: https://blog.kronis.dev/blog/what-is-ruining-dual-gpu-setups On the other hand, for whatever reason Windows 11 right now refuses to install updates (I think the logs complained about the…

Missing vertical taskbar is probably the most egregious omission, but it's not so much they took it away as it is they created versions of a number of Windows Explorer components in a higher-level technology without implementing half the features and shipping it with 50x the number of bugs. I at least weekly (and often daily) run into issues with taskbar icons overlapping one another, menus not coming up when clicked, the tray icons breaking, etc.

Same story with navigating the file system--the new implementation has a multitude of issues, including getting into a state where clicking files to select them only works below a certain invisible horizontal line in the window, windows not refreshing when files have been added/removed, trying to rename a file you just copied being an exercise in frustration with the view refreshing and exiting the rename state 5 - 10 seconds after the copy, the address bar breaking in about a dozen different ways... it's really frustrating software that's a full few tiers down from the quality standard set by Windows 10 and previous versions.

It's gotten slightly better since the initial Windows 11 release, but it still feels like pre-release quality software. I was hoping they'd get it up to release quality and add the important features back by the sunset of Windows 10, but it looks like Microsoft really doesn't care about the quality of the experience of using their UI.

If it were only missing the vertical taskbar as a design decision that would be one thing, but instead it's the very obvious tip of an iceberg of lack of user focus, care, quality, resourcing, and skill. They don't add it back because they know in their current state they're not going to do it well, and the money's in dreaming up new ways of force-feeding trash "news" and promotions anyway, not in helping you get things done and providing a well-functioning tool and bicycle for the mind. What if someone put the taskbar on the left side of the screen, it interfered with them seeing the clickbait brainrot of the widgets "feature", and Microsoft didn't get its average $.0003 for each interaction?

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Not sure man, I just want a version of Microsoft Windows without all the telemetry and the ads and the aggressive control Microsoft has on the system via updates. Time and again they keep changing the default browser, throwing ads into Start Menu, blocking specific applications (such as Chrome etc. Bad example because Chrome is an evil junkyard. Imagine them blocking Google Drive one day because they want you to use…

Now having used an OSX laptop at work, my main pain points are how _everything_ seems to be different for the sake of being different (keeping legacy Macintosh-isms). My main pain points: * Keyboard combinations, can't 'theme' them to just work like every other popular platform. * Docking stations + Multi-Monitors. TONS broken here. Worst of all is how there's no way to just FIX the dock to a single screen's bottom.…

Make no mistake - it is not surprising to find UX issues on Macbooks. My main quirks that I hated and how I addressed them:

Note that the items below are based on my personal opinion only:

1. Finder always seemed to suck ass - been the same for 10+ years lol. I use QSpace Pro as my full-time file explorer/manager.

2. Alt-Tab behavior also sucked for me -having to hold down controls and no thumbnail views....fixed with the AltTab app.

3. Can't control system volume when connected to an external monitor not made by Apple. Fixed with an app called SoundControl

4. Spotlight is lame and slow as hell - fixed with Alfred

5. No clipboard manager built-in - I use an app called Copy'Em Paste for this.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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> Microsoft's efforts do seem to be paying off (or, at least, some combination of Microsoft's efforts and Windows 10 PCs naturally aging out of the install base). While Windows 10 is still running on the majority of Windows PCs worldwide (about 53 percent, according to Statcounter's May 2025 data) 53% is huge mere months away from the end, and actually means that the efforts have resoundingly failed.

anecdotal evidence, but even my non-IT friends prefer to try out Linux than upgrade to w11. Meanwhile most corporate already swapped to w11. 53% is a huge failure on MS part, but that's what happens when you design OS to be a bad copy of your competition.

Don't forget Windows 10 was marketed by Microsoft as the final version of Windows. Plenty of people are probably fed up with Microsoft's games.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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I have to say that after switching to Windows 11, I don't hate it as much as I thought I would. I'm still a bit upset that they took away vertical taskbars from us, but some things like multi-GPU support is better than in Windows 10: https://blog.kronis.dev/blog/what-is-ruining-dual-gpu-setups On the other hand, for whatever reason Windows 11 right now refuses to install updates (I think the logs complained about the…

Missing vertical taskbar is probably the most egregious omission, but it's not so much they took it away as it is they created versions of a number of Windows Explorer components in a higher-level technology without implementing half the features and shipping it with 50x the number of bugs. I at least weekly (and often daily) run into issues with taskbar icons overlapping one another, menus not coming up when clicked…

One upside of this reimplementation is that we can now enjoy state-of-the-art Electron-level loading times when opening a new Explorer window. /s

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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Microsoft made the announcement through very trusted Microsoft media experts which they have since burned. I remember their emphatic assurances at the time but didn’t believe them.

They made the announcement from one guy saying it once when giving a talk on developing LiveTiles.

I previously worked at MS so asked friends about it and they agreed that there was an attempt to foster the impression of windows as a SAAS both internally and externally.

If that impression gets out and is not countered then it’s a tacit acceptance.

MS burns people all the time so we figured it would be another example of that. Just this time it’s more regular people and not just devs and partners.

Some people internally and externally legitimately believed that people would pay $100 p.a. to use windows. Had that worked they might have kept the subscription model going. Office 365 is an example of that model working.

It was also part of the billion devices push to make the case for the Microsoft App Store which we knew was in trouble, it seemed like a deliberate attempt to sacrifice long term trust for a short term gain.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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I have to say that after switching to Windows 11, I don't hate it as much as I thought I would. I'm still a bit upset that they took away vertical taskbars from us, but some things like multi-GPU support is better than in Windows 10: https://blog.kronis.dev/blog/what-is-ruining-dual-gpu-setups On the other hand, for whatever reason Windows 11 right now refuses to install updates (I think the logs complained about the…

>On the other hand, for whatever reason Windows 11 right now refuses to install updates (I think the logs complained about their own web view components being unavailable last I checked, which is wrong because they definitely are there), which is kind of embarrassing.

Updates failing and the horrible troubleshooting process is the main reason I’d love to ditch their abortion of an OS. As it is, the most powerful computer of my many is just used for gaming.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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> Microsoft's efforts do seem to be paying off (or, at least, some combination of Microsoft's efforts and Windows 10 PCs naturally aging out of the install base). While Windows 10 is still running on the majority of Windows PCs worldwide (about 53 percent, according to Statcounter's May 2025 data) 53% is huge mere months away from the end, and actually means that the efforts have resoundingly failed.

You might be seeing it in the same lens as macos for instance, but windows' model is fundamentaly different and that deadline is only for specific cases (that's why they can play the "sign up for backup and we'll expand your time" game) For instance Enterprise LTSC version of Windows 10 is officially supported until 2031. A ton of the devices inside these 53% have no need to move away from win 10 in any urgent way.

I am running Enterprise LTSC version of Windows 10 in a VM for .NET development and it started to show full-screen popups saying that “it’s time to upgrade” to win11 with some text suggesting that it is urgent and time is running out.

Re: Microsoft extends free Windows 10 security updates into 2026

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anecdotal evidence, but even my non-IT friends prefer to try out Linux than upgrade to w11. Meanwhile most corporate already swapped to w11. 53% is a huge failure on MS part, but that's what happens when you design OS to be a bad copy of your competition.

Interesting, how many of your friends stuck with Linux after trying out?

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