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I will do anything to end homelessness except build more homes (2018)

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Re: I will do anything to end homelessness except build more homes (2018)

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> I’m the kind of person who contributes to society by starting companies that leverage technology to build smart tea kettles that brew themselves while you sleep at night. I’m a fucking innovator. Is there a reason that the press is always making scapegoats out of tech nerds? The vast majority of people are not employed in tech, and are part of the same society and have very similar self interests. Truly tired of ev…

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All these replies missed my point. I’m not saying tech is blameless, rather that the press constantly criticizes tech for both doing too much and doing nothing and not fixing society. I would argue that this is toxic and ignores the agency of literally all other professions/people.

Further, to ignore the housing/etc lobbying by basically everyone else outside of tech and make it seem like SV giants control the housing crisis is just boring. Do note that most of the developed world is facing this, not just specifically SV/USA.

Re: I will do anything to end homelessness except build more homes (2018)

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I don't think housing will help the people with mental health issues and addiction problems. Honestly I think sometimes building (compassionate, 21st century) mental health "asylums" and treatment centres would do more to end homelessness.

Being homeless makes peoples mental health issues massively worst then whatever there was before. So yes, housing actually helps people with mental health issues.

And yes, as housing becomes less available, people with mental health issues are among the worst affected.

Re: I will do anything to end homelessness except build more homes (2018)

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That's how you make existing housing cheap. That's not how you make new housing cheap. We still have a shortage.

The dilemma is you can’t make new housing cheap because if the price falls too much it becomes unprofitable to build and you don’t get new supply. My city is currently facing this where the interest rate hikes, build tax hikes and falling prices have created a perfect storm of vastly reduced housing starts.

>if the price falls too much it becomes unprofitable to build and you don’t get new supply

This is saying "building is expensive because building is expensive". Why is it expensive and how do we address it to make it cheaper?

Re: I will do anything to end homelessness except build more homes (2018)

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I don't think housing will help the people with mental health issues and addiction problems. Honestly I think sometimes building (compassionate, 21st century) mental health "asylums" and treatment centres would do more to end homelessness.

This is a scapegoat at best in areas with high homelessness. The mentally ill and drug abusers are the most visible part of the homeless population not all the homeless population. There are also complex relations to cause vs effect where mental illness may be at manageable levels until a crisis like homelessness exacerbates it or drug use may be a result of being homeless instead of a cause.

Re: I will do anything to end homelessness except build more homes (2018)

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How did homeless become homeless though? 1. They never had a home before so they kept living like that 2. They had a home before but then they couldn't afford it (or whatever other reason) I doubt we have a lot of case 1 (born without a home). For case 2, I doubt building more homes work, because if you are homeless, that not only means that you can't afford buying a home, but you cannot afford renting one as well, a…

> For case 2, I doubt building more homes work, because if you are homeless, that not only means that you can't afford buying a home, but you cannot afford renting one as well, and you are most likely jobless. It's not always all or nothing - sometimes you might be able to afford rent if rent were cheaper. > For case 2 you need more social housing and other support. "Build more homes" includes social aka public aka "…

Well I'm not against building more homes though.

Re: I will do anything to end homelessness except build more homes (2018)

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Is any of it affordable for the median household income in your area? If so, that’s great!

New housing doesn't have to be affordable for everyone. Median income goes towards old housing.

This does appear to be an application of Goodhart’s Law (when a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure). Affordable housing is neat but it implicitly encourages infinite housing be built and does nothing to address employment and crazy down payment requirements (especially for those who could otherwise pay the mortgage!).

Re: I will do anything to end homelessness except build more homes (2018)

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This isn't everywhere. I live in Nashville and we have SO MUCH housing being built. Just apartment building after apartment building after apartment building.

It is a big problem in Democratic states like California, where the leftists (Dean Preston and other leftist NIMBYs) have allied themselves with homeowner liberals to make it impossible to build housing. Republican states like Texas do a significantly better job, as you can see by looking at annual per capita new housing, and lower rental inflation. There's a growing liberal movement to change this status quo but the…

To be fair, Minnesota is getting it right and Washington is reluctantly stumbling in the right direction. However, I’m forced to agree on the general sentiment.

California is a bit embarrassing. We’ll see how the Builder’s Remedy and laws like SB 1123 play out, I suppose.

Re: I will do anything to end homelessness except build more homes (2018)

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How did homeless become homeless though? 1. They never had a home before so they kept living like that 2. They had a home before but then they couldn't afford it (or whatever other reason) I doubt we have a lot of case 1 (born without a home). For case 2, I doubt building more homes work, because if you are homeless, that not only means that you can't afford buying a home, but you cannot afford renting one as well, a…

Luckily, your personal thoughts from first principles with zero review of the available data is not all we have to go on! There is research[0] about causes of homelessness and about the effect[1] of house building on homelessness. This is a well-studied issue, that, as the linked article likes to point out, people are just opposed to the solution for reasons of personal interest and (to me, bizzare) bias. Building ho…

Eh, I'm not against building more homes though. I just think biasing towards social housing is better than building homes in general.

Re: I will do anything to end homelessness except build more homes (2018)

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> I’m the kind of person who contributes to society by starting companies that leverage technology to build smart tea kettles that brew themselves while you sleep at night. I’m a fucking innovator. Is there a reason that the press is always making scapegoats out of tech nerds? The vast majority of people are not employed in tech, and are part of the same society and have very similar self interests. Truly tired of ev…

It is not stereotype of a nerd, it is a stereotype of an enterpreneur. Those are not nerds, not even close.
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