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Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by TiredOfLife »

dale_huevo wrote: post #39
vondur wrote: post #25

This is a huge e-waste issue. I work as a Sysadmin in a large public university, and I've been spending the last year or so removing and replacing large amounts of computers that can no longer run a supported version of Windows. I just recently sent around 50 computers to a company that supposedly donates/resales them, but I'm going to guess most will end up as E-waste prematurely. Yes, we can purchase an extended su…

Why is this e-waste when compared to old Mac laptops - many of which are in perfect working order, save Apple arbitrarily stopping OS updates because they were too lazy to maintain or update device drivers. Somehow MS requiring TPM2 for Windows 11 was the end of humanity as we know it, but a Mac with a T2 chip is heralded as progress. If anything many of these PCs will enjoy a second life off eBay in someone's home-l…

It used to be that you could install Windows on those macs and get a fully supported and updated OS. Not anymore

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by blooalien »

Xiol32 wrote: post #36
sergiotapia wrote: post #12

Very frustrated with Windows in general. I just discovered they are throttling my computer with Efficiency Mode on processes like Brave, Bruno, Cursor, etc. It's like that Auto Shutoff they added to cars. Helps no one, and nobody wanted it. (Thanks Obama https://www.newsweek.com/automatic-start-stop-technology-new... ) I would be on Linux today if Steam OS came out properly for desktop. I'm ready to dip.

You don't need SteamOS. Just install Steam on any distribution (I use Fedora) and it all just works like SteamOS - Proton use is transparent.

> Just install Steam on any distribution (I use Fedora) and it all just works like SteamOS - Proton use is transparent.

Absolutely! And if you really feel you need a truly SteamOS-like experience, there's entire distros (like Bazzite for example) devoted to replicating that as closely as possible for desktop PC users.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by TiredOfLife »

CursedSilicon wrote: post #4

>Instead, they made some arbitrary reason to deprecate "old" hardware The criteria was based on hardware mitigation support for Meltdown and Spectre patches. Because at the time those vulnerabilities could be exploited by executing malicious javascript in a browser to steal passwords

BS. Microsoft provides a fully supported version of Windows 11 that doesn't have tpm requirement and works on all intel cpus starting from core i.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#74

Post by jm4 »

v9v wrote: post #2

Why do people keep bringing up this e-waste argument and act like they have to throw their Windows 10 computers into the garbage? It's not like the operating system stops working the second official support ends.

Many companies have a policy that requires active support for all software and for good reason. Failing to install security updates or using software which no longer receives security updates might be the easiest way to shoot yourself in the foot. If you have ever worked in information security you know that the vast majority of attacks companies face day to day are malware exploiting patched vulnerabilities and social engineering attacks. If you don't have good patch management or end user training, you don't have good security regardless of anything else you do.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

#75

Post by hnuser123456 »

Lammy wrote: post #31

I've already been living this life for half a decade, since my PC's motherboard only supports up to Windows 10 v1909 for some reason. No idea why or what component could be the cause, but the later updates indeed fail to install and automatically roll back to v1909 when I try. They eventually updated the product page to mention it: https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/X10SAE (at the very bottom) > Note:…

The motherboard/C226 chipset is from 2013. You have memory integrity enabled and the old intel GPU drivers are not compatible with memory integrity in v2004+.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by wmf »

dale_huevo wrote: post #39
vondur wrote: post #25

This is a huge e-waste issue. I work as a Sysadmin in a large public university, and I've been spending the last year or so removing and replacing large amounts of computers that can no longer run a supported version of Windows. I just recently sent around 50 computers to a company that supposedly donates/resales them, but I'm going to guess most will end up as E-waste prematurely. Yes, we can purchase an extended su…

Why is this e-waste when compared to old Mac laptops - many of which are in perfect working order, save Apple arbitrarily stopping OS updates because they were too lazy to maintain or update device drivers. Somehow MS requiring TPM2 for Windows 11 was the end of humanity as we know it, but a Mac with a T2 chip is heralded as progress. If anything many of these PCs will enjoy a second life off eBay in someone's home-l…

TPM is not really the problem BTW. You can enable fTPM or install a $20 TPM. The problem is that Windows 11 doesn't (officially) support older CPUs because of VBS.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by wmf »

oneZergArmy wrote: post #26

I'd love it if manufacturers would unlock the BIOS of business-grade laptops when Windows 10 ends, but I don't have any hope. Two of my laptops will just.. die, as I can't install Linux on them.

What exactly is locked?

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by s1mplicissimus »

Xiol32 wrote: post #36
sergiotapia wrote: post #12

Very frustrated with Windows in general. I just discovered they are throttling my computer with Efficiency Mode on processes like Brave, Bruno, Cursor, etc. It's like that Auto Shutoff they added to cars. Helps no one, and nobody wanted it. (Thanks Obama https://www.newsweek.com/automatic-start-stop-technology-new... ) I would be on Linux today if Steam OS came out properly for desktop. I'm ready to dip.

You don't need SteamOS. Just install Steam on any distribution (I use Fedora) and it all just works like SteamOS - Proton use is transparent.

I run a similar setup for steam on linux. Overall I'm very happy with it in that it plays some old games I like to play from time to time (dota2, portal2, oxygen not included). Some games are still windows/macos only unfortunately, afaiu it's up to the game owners which platforms they serve. Shout out to the wine and lutris projects which both help make gaming on linux better since a loong time.

Re: Windows 10 EOL

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Post by dspillett »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #17

Will professional hardware sellers still be allowed to sell valid W10 licenses with computers or not? Because in the "refurb" space, there are a whole lot of computers that cannot run W11 due to graphic card requirements.

> Will professional hardware sellers still be allowed to sell valid W10 licenses with computers or not?

Anyone selling hardware with Win10 after the EOL date, heck anyone selling hardware with Windows 10 now, is hardly professional, at least if they don't warn their customers of the security implications they may have if they don't pay MS for extended support⁰.

Once past EOL, unless you pay for the extended support¹, a Win10 device is a potential security problem for the user and the wider Internet.

UNprofessional hardware sellers can and will keep selling devices with Windows 10 to unsuspecting end users who do not know what the issue could be with that, of course.

> Because in the "refurb" space, there are a whole lot of computers that cannot run W11 due to graphic card requirements.

The only good-ish option for that is Linux of some variety. I say “good-ish” as an average assessment, for some it'll be great, for others it'll be a learning curve at best or significant incompatibility² at worst.

My laptop came with Win11, the old laptop³ that could upgrade to 11 will get Linux instead. My home desktop will also go the Linux way⁴.

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[0] which someone buying an old refurb PC may not be able/willing to afford, and even if they can it'll only last one year

[1] $30 for one year, per device, after that year you are out of luck as they are currently only planning to offer it for that long

[2] with other devices they own, or because they need specific software that can't be beaten into running on Linux without expertise they don't have, etc.

[3] the one with the slightly dodgy screen that I take for personal travelling as it matters a lot less if it gets lost or further broken

[4] I've just been too busy recently to faf, which is why that hasn't already been done, if it gets too close to Win10 EOL before I've cared enough to bother I'll buy an inexpensive dock and use the laptop connected to the nice big screens instead

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