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The drawbridges come up: the dream of a interconnected context ecosystem is over

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Re: The drawbridges come up: the dream of a interconnected context ecosystem is over

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Please check out Braid project initiative that is working towards fully interconnected eco-system for the web [1],[2].

[1] Stop using REST for state synchronization (2024) - comment:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44000810

[2] A Synchronous Web of State:

https://braid.org/meeting-107

Re: The drawbridges come up: the dream of a interconnected context ecosystem is over

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I think it's already starting. Apple can't produce anything people just have to have anymore because of the attitude that's causing this. You can see this in their sales numbers.

I am completely uninterested to going back to the privacy-stealing, ad-infested nightmare that is Android. Besides, what would I even gain? iOS 25 just got live translation in calls and item extraction from screen (not just photos). So what am I missing?

I would never defend Android, but the idea that iOS is somehow better is pretty funny to me

Re: The drawbridges come up: the dream of a interconnected context ecosystem is over

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> Once network effects crowded a few winners, the drawbridges slowly pulled up. Previously simple APIs evolved into complicated layers of access controls and pricing tiers. Winning platforms adjusted their APIs so you could support their platforms, but not build anything competitive. Perhaps the best example of this was Twitter’s 2012 policy adjustment which limited client 3rd party apps to a maximum of 100,000 users…

> One thing I haven't seen written about much is how these APIs turned into massive liabilities for privacy. If a Twitter API allows me to siphon tweets off of Twitter, you can never delete them. Is that really a privacy concern? Tweets are public. As soon as you post them, others can just save the page. No need for an API.

Data brokers don't care about easy APIs anyway. They'll save that tweet even if it takes a dozen engineers, a global bot net, and millions in cloud spend to do it at scale

Re: The drawbridges come up: the dream of a interconnected context ecosystem is over

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Nowadays we expect popular tweets to be screenshotted, just as popular webpages are usually archived somewhere. Bluesky has decided that it’s not a bug and is not going to be fixed: you can delete a post, but someone could have saved it, and worse, it’s digitally signed.

We generally would characterize the monopolies as the bug, not the public nature of the data

Are you saying the phenomenon is different on Twitter than on bluesky?

Re: The drawbridges come up: the dream of a interconnected context ecosystem is over

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I am completely uninterested to going back to the privacy-stealing, ad-infested nightmare that is Android. Besides, what would I even gain? iOS 25 just got live translation in calls and item extraction from screen (not just photos). So what am I missing?

I would never defend Android, but the idea that iOS is somehow better is pretty funny to me

There’s a Weather widget. It doesn’t have ads. There’s a podcast app. It doesn’t have ads. There’s an RSS app. I paid $7.99 for it, once. It doesn’t have ads.

The entire Android ecosystem is built around people not paying for anything ever, where the iOS ecosystem, people pay for things. And honestly, it’s a way nicer experience.

Re: The drawbridges come up: the dream of a interconnected context ecosystem is over

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I would never defend Android, but the idea that iOS is somehow better is pretty funny to me

There’s a Weather widget. It doesn’t have ads. There’s a podcast app. It doesn’t have ads. There’s an RSS app. I paid $7.99 for it, once. It doesn’t have ads. The entire Android ecosystem is built around people not paying for anything ever, where the iOS ecosystem, people pay for things. And honestly, it’s a way nicer experience.

Idk why you're assuming I put up with ads for any of those things. Believe it or not, the $ vs. ads trade-off is alive and well on Android

Re: The drawbridges come up: the dream of a interconnected context ecosystem is over

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In general there are more users than implementers, so their experience is more relevant to whether it's an overall net positive.

More relevant than the people who make the decisions… according to who? Is there some arbiter that can overrule the decision makers? If so… then we should discuss those instead.

No just the opposite, each person gets to decide whether something is good or bad, and when we sum across those perspectives we end up with a net positive or negative.

Going against that grain might be advantageous in certain cases but ultimately you have to live in the world that you create so its usually not a great long term strategy.

Re: The drawbridges come up: the dream of a interconnected context ecosystem is over

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More relevant than the people who make the decisions… according to who? Is there some arbiter that can overrule the decision makers? If so… then we should discuss those instead.

No just the opposite, each person gets to decide whether something is good or bad, and when we sum across those perspectives we end up with a net positive or negative. Going against that grain might be advantageous in certain cases but ultimately you have to live in the world that you create so its usually not a great long term strategy.

This doesn’t even make sense… unless you think all opinions out there carry roughly the same weight?

Re: The drawbridges come up: the dream of a interconnected context ecosystem is over

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No just the opposite, each person gets to decide whether something is good or bad, and when we sum across those perspectives we end up with a net positive or negative. Going against that grain might be advantageous in certain cases but ultimately you have to live in the world that you create so its usually not a great long term strategy.

This doesn’t even make sense… unless you think all opinions out there carry roughly the same weight?

Did you mean something else by "overall"? Over... shareholders perhaps?
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