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Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by eru »

qualeed wrote: post #46
abxyz wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...in America he's innocent until proven guilty... ...in a court of law. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't extend to internet comments.

> Innocent until proven guilty doesn't extend to internet comments. That's not a good thing. Edit: I cannot really believe that this, of all comments, is controversial. Living life treating everyone as guilty until they prove themselves innocent is... just shitty, let alone exhausting. Do people forget about how many times reddit and other ruined innocent people's lives? Sometimes HN amazes me with new technology, in…

Why? Different fora have different standards of proof. For example, in civil cases (even in America) the standard of proof is 'preponderance of evidence', not 'innocent until proven guilty'.

Why should internet comments follow criminal law, and not eg civil law, or some other standard?

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by pharrington »

eddieroger wrote: post #23
bjorkandkd wrote: post #17

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From your link: > The defendant, Preston Thorpe, appeals his conviction for possession of a controlled drug with intent to sell He may have done other things, but his conviction was for possession with intent, and that seems to be why he's locked up. It doesn't make anything else he's done acceptable, but in America he's innocent until proven guilty, and it doesn't seem he was found guilty of assault.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is only for the justice system. You are deliberately avoiding the fact that the entire reason the cops showed up was to respond to a domestic violence call. People do not need an entire court trial to determine that the woman's arm was swollen and her face was bruised because her partner hit her.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by ilc »

glommer wrote: post #37
bjorkandkd wrote: post #17

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I am the one who hired Preston. Whatever he has done in the past, I have all the evidence in the world in front of me to assure me that he has a transformed heart. It is not a common thing to see, but here the fruits are clear. We are happy to have him with us.

Good man. I've worked with a man who did time. I never knew until he told me, and once he did, I didn't give a rats ass.

I knew the person, and whatever was done in the past. Is the past. He's done his time. It is not mine to add penalties over what the state imposed.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by eru »

foldr wrote: post #41
eddieroger wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From your link: > The defendant, Preston Thorpe, appeals his conviction for possession of a controlled drug with intent to sell He may have done other things, but his conviction was for possession with intent, and that seems to be why he's locked up. It doesn't make anything else he's done acceptable, but in America he's innocent until proven guilty, and it doesn't seem he was found guilty of assault.

We're allowed to form judgments about people based on evidence that wouldn't be sufficient to convict them of a crime. The consequences of me forming the opinion that this guy is a domestic abuser are far lower than the consequences of a court doing so. And of course, even courts use a much lower evidential standard than 'innocent until proven guilty' when deciding civil cases. Making a derogatory comment about someo…

Yes, different fora have different standards of evidence. That's only normal.

Civil cases are probably the best (counter) example to bring up, because they also involve a judge and lawyers etc.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by namenotrequired »

eddieroger wrote: post #23
bjorkandkd wrote: post #17

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From your link: > The defendant, Preston Thorpe, appeals his conviction for possession of a controlled drug with intent to sell He may have done other things, but his conviction was for possession with intent, and that seems to be why he's locked up. It doesn't make anything else he's done acceptable, but in America he's innocent until proven guilty, and it doesn't seem he was found guilty of assault.

He’s not just saying he was locked up due to drugs. He’s saying that “all” his “poor decisions and lifestyle choices” in his twenties were related to drugs.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by awongh »

eddieroger wrote: post #23
bjorkandkd wrote: post #17

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From your link: > The defendant, Preston Thorpe, appeals his conviction for possession of a controlled drug with intent to sell He may have done other things, but his conviction was for possession with intent, and that seems to be why he's locked up. It doesn't make anything else he's done acceptable, but in America he's innocent until proven guilty, and it doesn't seem he was found guilty of assault.

I feel ok that there's a distinction between legal rulings and other circumstances of the case that I as an internet person can use my judgement to understand.

Just because someone is guilty or not doesn't separate other facts of the case.

In an extreme example: I'm ok with the court letting someone off who murdered someone, because the police didn't follow proper procedure wrt evidence/confessions/witness testimony. Our legal system should be held to the highest standard when convicting someone of a crime. That doesn't stop me from believing that the defendant actually did the crime or not.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by UncleEntity »

abxyz wrote: post #51
qualeed wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Innocent until proven guilty doesn't extend to internet comments. That's not a good thing. Edit: I cannot really believe that this, of all comments, is controversial. Living life treating everyone as guilty until they prove themselves innocent is... just shitty, let alone exhausting. Do people forget about how many times reddit and other ruined innocent people's lives? Sometimes HN amazes me with new technology, in…

Yes, it is. The courts are flawed, the courts get things wrong all the time. Many innocent people are found guilty. If we must apply the legal standard to internet comments, must we condemn people we believe to be innocent? The legal standards exist for the system, not for people. Saying that the standard of "innocent until proven guilty" should apply outside of the legal system is lazy and avoiding making decisions…

> Saying that the standard of "innocent until proven guilty" should apply outside of the legal system is lazy and avoiding making decisions for yourself about how you treat people.

Then how do you explain laws against slander and libel?

You can't label someone guilty of a crime just because you feel it to be true.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by koakuma-chan »

dylan604 wrote: post #49
koakuma-chan wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and employers believe it is fair to adjust the salary to provide a similar quality of life to both That's bullshit. E.g. electronics cost the same in all countries.

Actually, no they don't. With various forms of VAT and tariffs, things definitely do not cost the same in all countries.

The point is that they are definitely not cheaper than in the US

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by stronglikedan »

code_for_monkey wrote: post #36
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #15

> I quickly outgrew the curriculum, preferring instead to spend ~15+ hours a day on projects and open source contributions. TIL from 15-20yrs old I was a prisoner But seriously, programs like these need to be made available to more people, incarcerated or not. There's millions of people in this country who have basically no access to employment. Remote work could not only be a lifeline to those communities, it's adva…

shame were doing a large push to return to the office anyways

there's a good reason for that, fortunately or unfortunately. the numbers don't lie
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