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Fujifilm X half: Is it the perfect family camera?

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Re: Fujifilm X half: Is it the perfect family camera?

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Post by aspenmayer »

999900000999 wrote: post #61
goblin89 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This picks apart image quality from an iPhone 15 Pro Max regarding noise and usable dynamic range: https://youtu.be/bSm3LXNF7pI?feature=shared&t=1360 For anything more than basic software-processed output and utility snaps or selfies, this high-end phone loses pretty terribly to an average hybrid consumer camera.

What’s the net output for the majority of photos? Probably a social media post at best. I don’t think most viewers are going to be that critical. The best camera is always the one you have on you .

> The best camera is always the one you have on you .

And if all you have is a phone, then you will only ever have phone camera quality photos. For many, that is good enough, but it’s not really an argument to not buy a dedicated camera, so that you may carry it, and even use it to shoot better photos than your phone could.

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Post by alistairSH »

lokl wrote: post #12

Used cameras and lenses can offer tremendous value.

Yep, an online acquaintance gifted me an Olympus 35 RC he hadn’t touched in decades. My 35 DC was Yeah, the first two are 35mm film, but they’re phenomenal cameras within the scope of what they are (fixed lens rangefinders - basically the 1970s version of today’s Fuji X100). The E-M5 hasn’t let me down, and the latest models from OM don’t offer enough to make me upgrade (and I have little desire to switch mounts).

Re: Fujifilm X half: Is it the perfect family camera?

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Post by phonon »

CobaltFire wrote: post #65
999900000999 wrote: post #17

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My thoughts exactly. This is a bizarre article. The elephant in the room is on the lower end most mid-range phones will beat a digital camera under 300$. I wouldn't give a kid an expensive camera. Kids drop things. If you give Junior an 850$ camera and he loses it that's on you. Then again, this is HN. Maybe he makes 700k TC per year and money is no object. Even then he admits for a few hundred more you can get a muc…

My wifes new Kodak Pixpro FZ55 ($130) absolutely smokes my iPhone 15 Pro. I shoot a Panasonic G9 II and thats a completely different level.

Hmmm...the main (48 mp) camera sensor on the iPhone 15 Pro is about 10 x 7.5mm and has optical image stabilization.

The 16 mp camera sensor on the Pixpro FZ55 is 6.17 x 4.55 mm and has no optical image stabilization.

Maybe you just like the "look" from the Kodak more?

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Post by TheJoeMan »

jackvalentine wrote: post #73

The perfect family camera is a OM System TG-7 tough camera - waterproof, crushproof, drop proof and not excessively expensive. I have no qualms giving kids from 2+ this camera to wander around shooting with.

I have the Olympus-brand TG-6, and absolutely love it. Just got back from a tropical vacation and had no worries about shooting at the beach.

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Post by SoftTalker »

999900000999 wrote: post #61
goblin89 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This picks apart image quality from an iPhone 15 Pro Max regarding noise and usable dynamic range: https://youtu.be/bSm3LXNF7pI?feature=shared&t=1360 For anything more than basic software-processed output and utility snaps or selfies, this high-end phone loses pretty terribly to an average hybrid consumer camera.

What’s the net output for the majority of photos? Probably a social media post at best. I don’t think most viewers are going to be that critical. The best camera is always the one you have on you .

The majority of photos are looked at once, maybe shared, and then sit consuming a few MB of storage never to be looked at again.

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

ezst wrote: post #64
PaulHoule wrote: post #54

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Usually it would be aperture priority (f/2.8) in a situation where I know what the light is so I can set the ISO and leave it there. I develop with DxO so I am not worried about noise or the shutter speed too long but I do worry about hitting 1/8000 sec -- so usually it would be a situation where the lighting is predictable. The autofocus can be set in a mode where it will reliably lock on the subject's eye. I would…

For me it's the AF. Every. Single. Time. People on smartphone, used to near-infinite depth of field, just forgot/never learned about focusing, and handing them a camera just too often results with the background being in focus and the subject blurry.

Yeah that's been my experience too, or if the lens is open wide enough they don't watch the AF and have it focus on a belt or something weird and then blur out faces and eyes.

The other big one is HDR. HDR on phones makes lighting a lot less of a factor but a lot of times if I'm asking a friend to take an indoor picture they underexpose the shot because they don't have good lighting.

Re: Fujifilm X half: Is it the perfect family camera?

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Post by CobaltFire »

phonon wrote: post #74
CobaltFire wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wifes new Kodak Pixpro FZ55 ($130) absolutely smokes my iPhone 15 Pro. I shoot a Panasonic G9 II and thats a completely different level.

Hmmm...the main (48 mp) camera sensor on the iPhone 15 Pro is about 10 x 7.5mm and has optical image stabilization. The 16 mp camera sensor on the Pixpro FZ55 is 6.17 x 4.55 mm and has no optical image stabilization. Maybe you just like the "look" from the Kodak more?

So I don't actually like shooting at 24mm (the iPhone 15 Pro 48MP FL). If we adjust that to a more typical 35mm (I prefer 40mm personally) or 50mm we end up at either a 1.5x crop or a 2x crop of the iPhone's sensor.

That gives us ~21MP for 35mm and 12MP for 50mm. The 35mm crop is almost a match for the sensor size of the Kodak, and the 50mm is smaller.

Then we have to deal with the inescapable processing that the iPhone does, even in "RAW" mode (which, while better than JPEG, is not anywhere near RAW). We are stuck with JPEG but no major processing on the Kodak, so no imagined detail.

We can compare lenses as well, but to do that properly I would need to do a like for like comparison. I may actually do that between the iPhone, Kodak, and Panasonic.

All in, your simplistic approximation just highlights how much you've bought into the marketing instead of understanding how cameras work.

Re: Fujifilm X half: Is it the perfect family camera?

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Post by maxnoe »

duxup wrote: post #2

I was curious so I looked at the price, it's absurd. $850, that price point is dead in the water to me. I may as well move up to other Fuji cameras that provide far more for not that much more money. It's a "perfect family camera" if you don't consider the price...

Author drops that he owns a Leica M11 in a half sentence.

Most people who consider prices don't.

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