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Re: FSE meets the FBI

#71

Post by kstrauser »

DoctorOW wrote: post #40

> I'd like to also thank fediblock for never fact-checking anything ever Nitpicking time: The link in the blog post just goes to a list of instances that have chosen to defederate. The reason it's not going to any sort of official Fediblock list is because Fediblock was shut down years ago. The author of Fediblock expressed the specific intention of not being definitive in any way and for people to thoroughly cross r…

I run a medium sized Mastodon server. I blocked them because one of their users called me the n-word, I reported them to their admin, and nothing happened. It had zero to do with fediblock or any other communal mechanism. Their users acted like assholes, their admins did nothing about it, so I decided I didn’t want to talk to them anymore.

The notion of FSE whining about being blocked by some cabal is hilarious to me. No, they’re garden variety trolls that are capable of annoying others directly. There’s no grand conspiracy required to make a bunch of people disconnect from them.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

#72

Post by kstrauser »

aydyn wrote: post #35
Reventlov wrote: post #33

>I'd like to also thank fediblock for never fact-checking anything ever, giving the false impression that things that FSE has never permitted were allowed. Proceeds to link to a website whose source code is hosted by kiwifarms. If you are blocked, that's because most of us don't want to interact with the "free speech" crowd, that's pretty much it.

That sounds like a non sequitur to the statement you are replying to. What does blocking or disliking someone have to do with fact checking?

The non sequitur was implying that the list was related to why those instances blocked this one, as though everyone blindly followed the fediblock recommendation. I didn’t. I’ve never, not once, taken fediblock’s advice without following up personally to verify their claims.

I blocked this instance when their user called me the n-word and the instance moderators didn’t act on my report. I didn’t block them due to fediblock, but because of negative interactions that I was personally involved with. And yet my server shows up on that list, as though it were related to fediblock.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

#73

Post by qualeed »

kstrauser wrote: post #71
DoctorOW wrote: post #40

> I'd like to also thank fediblock for never fact-checking anything ever Nitpicking time: The link in the blog post just goes to a list of instances that have chosen to defederate. The reason it's not going to any sort of official Fediblock list is because Fediblock was shut down years ago. The author of Fediblock expressed the specific intention of not being definitive in any way and for people to thoroughly cross r…

I run a medium sized Mastodon server. I blocked them because one of their users called me the n-word, I reported them to their admin, and nothing happened. It had zero to do with fediblock or any other communal mechanism. Their users acted like assholes, their admins did nothing about it, so I decided I didn’t want to talk to them anymore. The notion of FSE whining about being blocked by some cabal is hilarious to me…

>The notion of FSE whining about being blocked by some cabal is hilarious to me.

Are they whining about being blocked? I didn't catch it in the article, but maybe I missed it?

The only thing I saw was kind of the opposite of whining: "FSE being fedi's equivalent of a dive bar, I understand people on "gated community" instances not wanting to deal with it"

They seem totally fine & understanding if people want to block them. They just don't want the block reason to be a lie (e.g. saying they allow loli stuff when they don't). Presumably, you saying they are a bunch of assholes as your reason for blocking them would be completely accepted by them.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

#75

Post by blueflow »

kstrauser wrote: post #71
DoctorOW wrote: post #40

> I'd like to also thank fediblock for never fact-checking anything ever Nitpicking time: The link in the blog post just goes to a list of instances that have chosen to defederate. The reason it's not going to any sort of official Fediblock list is because Fediblock was shut down years ago. The author of Fediblock expressed the specific intention of not being definitive in any way and for people to thoroughly cross r…

I run a medium sized Mastodon server. I blocked them because one of their users called me the n-word, I reported them to their admin, and nothing happened. It had zero to do with fediblock or any other communal mechanism. Their users acted like assholes, their admins did nothing about it, so I decided I didn’t want to talk to them anymore. The notion of FSE whining about being blocked by some cabal is hilarious to me…

There is the popular belief that shunning people or groups of people like this will lead to their exclusion from society, not yours.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

#76

Post by kstrauser »

qualeed wrote: post #73
kstrauser wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run a medium sized Mastodon server. I blocked them because one of their users called me the n-word, I reported them to their admin, and nothing happened. It had zero to do with fediblock or any other communal mechanism. Their users acted like assholes, their admins did nothing about it, so I decided I didn’t want to talk to them anymore. The notion of FSE whining about being blocked by some cabal is hilarious to me…

> The notion of FSE whining about being blocked by some cabal is hilarious to me. Are they whining about being blocked? I didn't catch it in the article, but maybe I missed it? The only thing I saw was kind of the opposite of whining: "FSE being fedi's equivalent of a dive bar, I understand people on "gated community" instances not wanting to deal with it" They seem totally fine & understanding if people want to bloc…

Yes. They say:

> I'd like to also thank fediblock for never fact-checking anything ever

and link to a list of all instances who have blocked them for any reason whatsoever. My instance is on that list, as though I blocked them because of fediblock. In reality, it’s impossible for them to know why someone blocked them without doing a survey or something.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

#77

Post by qualeed »

kstrauser wrote: post #76
qualeed wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The notion of FSE whining about being blocked by some cabal is hilarious to me. Are they whining about being blocked? I didn't catch it in the article, but maybe I missed it? The only thing I saw was kind of the opposite of whining: "FSE being fedi's equivalent of a dive bar, I understand people on "gated community" instances not wanting to deal with it" They seem totally fine & understanding if people want to bloc…

Yes. They say: > I'd like to also thank fediblock for never fact-checking anything ever and link to a list of all instances who have blocked them for any reason whatsoever. My instance is on that list, as though I blocked them because of fediblock. In reality, it’s impossible for them to know why someone blocked them without doing a survey or something.

>I'd like to also thank fediblock for never fact-checking anything ever

The rest of the sentence is important to the meaning of the sentence, though...?

"giving the false impression that things that FSE has never permitted were allowed." with a link to a claim that they allow loli.

(For what it is worth, I've blocked them as well, but I still didn't read this paragraph as them "whining about a cabal")

Re: FSE meets the FBI

#78

Post by kstrauser »

qualeed wrote: post #77
kstrauser wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. They say: > I'd like to also thank fediblock for never fact-checking anything ever and link to a list of all instances who have blocked them for any reason whatsoever. My instance is on that list, as though I blocked them because of fediblock. In reality, it’s impossible for them to know why someone blocked them without doing a survey or something.

> I'd like to also thank fediblock for never fact-checking anything ever The rest of the sentence is important to the meaning of the sentence, though...? "giving the false impression that things that FSE has never permitted were allowed. " with a link to a claim that they allow loli. (For what it is worth, I've blocked them as well, but I still didn't read this paragraph as them "whining about a cabal")

Maybe, but they’re still linking to my server (and a bunch of others) as evidence that they’re widely blocked due to fediblock, and not because of individual servers blocking them for bad behavior. I personally couldn’t care less what fediblock said about them. It was nothing whatsoever to do with why I blocked them.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

#79

Post by kstrauser »

blueflow wrote: post #75
kstrauser wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run a medium sized Mastodon server. I blocked them because one of their users called me the n-word, I reported them to their admin, and nothing happened. It had zero to do with fediblock or any other communal mechanism. Their users acted like assholes, their admins did nothing about it, so I decided I didn’t want to talk to them anymore. The notion of FSE whining about being blocked by some cabal is hilarious to me…

There is the popular belief that shunning people or groups of people like this will lead to their exclusion from society, not yours.

If you can’t shun someone for their direct misbehavior, then why can you decide not to mute someone?

Note that I never told you that you’re not allowed to talk to them. I just said they’re not allowed to harass me or my users anymore. You can still hang out with them all you like.

Re: FSE meets the FBI

#80

Post by qualeed »

kstrauser wrote: post #78
qualeed wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd like to also thank fediblock for never fact-checking anything ever The rest of the sentence is important to the meaning of the sentence, though...? "giving the false impression that things that FSE has never permitted were allowed. " with a link to a claim that they allow loli. (For what it is worth, I've blocked them as well, but I still didn't read this paragraph as them "whining about a cabal")

Maybe, but they’re still linking to my server (and a bunch of others) as evidence that they’re widely blocked due to fediblock, and not because of individual servers blocking them for bad behavior. I personally couldn’t care less what fediblock said about them. It was nothing whatsoever to do with why I blocked them.

>as evidence that they’re widely blocked due to fediblock

It seems like you're laser-focused on the fact that they link to fediblock instead of the actual words of the sentence.

Their complaint is not about being blocked, they make that clear in the part of the sentence you decided not to quote. They apparently just don't want the reason in the "Reason" column to be a lie.

It's probably a good bet to just read the whole sentence they wrote.

"I understand people on "gated community" instances not wanting to deal with it [...] but I would prefer if they did not lie about their reasons or about me personally."

They (seemingly) just don't want pedos thinking it's okay to post on there. Which is a good thing. So, if you're filling out a reason, just put "massive assholes" or whatever instead something untruthful.

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