Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

Post by stavros » Sun, Jun 08, 2025, 9:53 AM UTC

ang_cire wrote: post #60

stavros wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we don't know how to change our car's oil anymore because we have a robot that does it OK, are we worried that all the robots will somehow disappear? Why would I have to change my own oil, ever, if the robot did it as well as I did? If it doesn't do it as well as I did, I'm still doing it myself.

> OK, are we worried that all the robots will somehow disappear? No, you should be worried that you (or devs who come later, who never had to 'change the oil'/ write tests themselves) won't know if the robot has done it right or not, because if you can't do the work, you can't validate the work. And the robot isn't an employee, it's just a tool you the employee use, so when you are asked whether the test was coded co…

Post by xnx » Sun, Jun 08, 2025, 10:26 AM UTC

hackyhacky wrote: post #9

auggierose wrote: post #4

> And as a last point, I fear very much what’s going on in schools. My son is in school. And the teacher literally said they need to use an LLM otherwise they won’t score high enough because the other pupils are using LLMs and the teacher is using an LLM to grade/check it. This is ridiculous. And if you think that’s okay or you don’t see a serious problem with this, then that’s an even greater problem. If that is tru…

I hear you, but also we need to ask why is it a problem? Used to be, it was considered critically important that students learn to write in cursive and to multiply 3 digit numbers in their head. I can't do either, and I suspect many folks these days can't either. The world has not ended. I also can't tie a square knot, lasso a steed, or mend a fence. School assignments have always been a waste of time. Essay-writing…

Post by thefz » Sun, Jun 08, 2025, 11:00 AM UTC

stavros wrote: post #26

I feel like this article makes the same tired point I see every time a new technology comes alone: "but if we don't know how to shoe our own horses any more because we got cars, soon nobody will know how to shoe horses!" Yeah. And that's OK. Because nobody will need to shoe horses any more! If I forget how to write tests, what's the problem? It means that I never need to write tests any more. If I do need to write te…

Post by yubblegum » Sun, Jun 08, 2025, 11:52 AM UTC

anal_reactor wrote: post #65

auggierose wrote: post #4

> And as a last point, I fear very much what’s going on in schools. My son is in school. And the teacher literally said they need to use an LLM otherwise they won’t score high enough because the other pupils are using LLMs and the teacher is using an LLM to grade/check it. This is ridiculous. And if you think that’s okay or you don’t see a serious problem with this, then that’s an even greater problem. If that is tru…

I attended one of best high schools in the area. One teacher, when I asked him what I can do about my failing grade, told me "you can go hang yourself". Why was I getting a failing grade in the first place? Well, it was normal that three quarters of the class would be failing his tests. That's just the kind of teacher he was. The PE teacher thought that his role was to teach us discipline based on fear. Later I heard…

Post by stavros » Sun, Jun 08, 2025, 12:02 PM UTC

yubblegum wrote: post #78

stavros wrote: post #26

I feel like this article makes the same tired point I see every time a new technology comes alone: "but if we don't know how to shoe our own horses any more because we got cars, soon nobody will know how to shoe horses!" Yeah. And that's OK. Because nobody will need to shoe horses any more! If I forget how to write tests, what's the problem? It means that I never need to write tests any more. If I do need to write te…

Critical thinking ability is not remotely akin to a mode of transport from a menu of alternatives. > do I need them, or not? Based on this comment of yours, the answer is a resounding yes, you do.