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Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by JCattheATM »

lucianbr wrote: post #24
diggan wrote: post #19

> "and having offshore porn sites or any other third parties collect IDs from adults and becoming a repository of potential blackmail material comes with its own risks [...] A more technically sound approach would be content controls directly implemented on the devices parents chose to give their children" said the company's (Proton's) spokesperson While I agree with their second point, the first argument sounds a bi…

> “double-anonymity” or "double-blind" protocol: the site never sees the user’s identity, the verifier never learns which site is being visited, and only a yes/no “18+” token is exchanged. Isn't this an actually reasonable solution? I assumed age verification was supposed to be done by the site itself, and therefore it was considered a very bad idea. But this... what's the problem with this method?

It depends how solid the implementation is, and what the competency reputation of the government implementing it is.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by dakiol »

sltkr wrote: post #16
walthamstow wrote: post #2

Fascinating that France is PH's second-biggest market, presumably after the US.

How is that surprising? After the US, the three largest Western countries are Germany (which already banned Pornhub), the UK and France, but the UK and France are virtually tied in terms of population, so it was always going to be a tossup between the two.

Always wondered why latin america is not considered the "western" world (it surely is not on the east side of... whatever mark you put in the world. Actually if one uses the greenwich meridian, that would leave countries like Germany on the "east" side of the world).

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by tonymet »

ghusto wrote: post #17

> A more technically sound approach would be content controls directly implemented on the devices parents chose to give their children Passive aggression level 10, and I approve.

How is this passive aggression? “You’re not using porn, because I say so, and you’re not using a computer without a porn filter, because I bought it”

That’s not passive aggression, that’s responsible parenting and clear boundaries.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by Barrin92 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #14
JodieBenitez wrote: post #4

Because apparently french parents can't handle the education of their children.

There's a big cultural gap here. To people who are concerned about porn, it's like asking why we have to stop children from buying handles of vodka. Can't you just educate them to avoid drinking to excess? No, you can't, they don't have that level of self-control yet. Isn't it unfair to the responsible bakers who just want a really tender pie crust? Yes, it is, but they're going to have to deal with it. Won't a deter…

>Yes, they will, but it matters that they get it less often and less frequently.

but they won't. Alcohol restrictions are at least somewhat enforceable (although as a sidenote I also find them silly) but you can open a new tab, literally type "porn" into any search engine, and you'll get fifty thousand results.

And all of those sites are hosted in the middle of nowhere and do zero content moderation compared to Pornhub, so chances are on those sites adolescents will run into some genuinely abhorrent content. You've made it no less difficult, but much less safe.

It's so utterly meaningless even compared to other internet bans, it makes more sense to assume they just banned something so that people would stop talking about it. It's as if someone was on a crusade against video games, banned literally one video game

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by david-gpu »

morkalork wrote: post #60
david-gpu wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would anybody even want to know the porn you watch? And what would they do about it, or how would that affect you? "Hey, Jimmy, I went searching for your porn habits and found that you are into fat redheads. Shame on you, shame on you. You are now excommunicated from... Somewhere" . How is this not a much bigger social faux pas for the accuser rather than the accused?

Post your browsing history and a list of your co-worker's and family's emails then, let's put your theory to the test. Bonus points if you post it to kiwifarms too.

If a coworker or family member sent me a log of their porn habits I would wonder what made them think I am interested in them. It is not something that people typically disclose.

That is not the same as understanding why would anybody care if their porn provider made their porn watching habits public, which is the subject of this thread.

Can you please clarify your reasoning? I fail to see the supposed "gotcha". We are not asking why doesn't everybody make their porn profile public, that's something you came up with.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by pishpash »

tonymet wrote: post #73
ghusto wrote: post #17

> A more technically sound approach would be content controls directly implemented on the devices parents chose to give their children Passive aggression level 10, and I approve.

How is this passive aggression? “You’re not using porn, because I say so, and you’re not using a computer without a porn filter, because I bought it” That’s not passive aggression, that’s responsible parenting and clear boundaries.

"Because I say so" is a weak ass argument, no argument at all. "Because I bought it" is passive aggressive, because you do not intend to allow even if you did not buy it.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by amriksohata »

callamdelaney wrote: post #66
ghusto wrote: post #17

> A more technically sound approach would be content controls directly implemented on the devices parents chose to give their children Passive aggression level 10, and I approve.

This is the only true solution. Parents need to take responsibility for what their kids are doing online, what they’re viewing and who they’re talking to. This generation of parents should be prepared for that but apparently not.

This never happens tho - parents dont sometimes even know how to use the tech. Its like giving a gun to a child and telling them its ok, just remember when you open the packaging to take the safety off.

...and oh yeh the safety software changes every few months so you will have to review it

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by nashashmi »

mirekrusin wrote: post #57
it_citizen wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly they cannot. They had already banned selling alcohol to kids.

Drugs too. Doesn't seem to stop ones that want to do it though by looking at some neighbourhoods.

It does stop kids from being openly advertised drugs and makes it difficult for kids to get drugs. That is the whole point of legislation, not to eliminate but mitigate.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by sltkr »

baby_souffle wrote: post #31
lucianbr wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> “double-anonymity” or "double-blind" protocol: the site never sees the user’s identity, the verifier never learns which site is being visited, and only a yes/no “18+” token is exchanged. Isn't this an actually reasonable solution? I assumed age verification was supposed to be done by the site itself, and therefore it was considered a very bad idea. But this... what's the problem with this method?

> But this... what's the problem with this method? You're just hoping that there's never a leak of any UUID(s) that could be used to correlate things. The ad-tech industry has pioneered de-anonymization tech and they're very, very good at it. Tangential question: if the principal is divorced from the "is not a minor" signal, what prevents a thrifty youth from just buying/stealing somebody's token?

First, intentionally leaking this type of data is extremely illegal under Europe's strict privacy laws. So we are limited to unintentional breaches of privacy which can be guarded against with auditing requirements.

Second, you have to look at the potential damage such a leak would have on the affected porn watchers. Is it really that damaging to your reputation if someone could prove that you visited Pornhub in the last year? Isn't it a common view that all men and most women watch porn at least occasionally anyway?

And I get the risk if you live in a country that criminalizes pornography. But are were sure there is an extreme societal taboo on enjoying erotic cinema in the notoriously puritanical country of... checks notes France?

Third, it's important to consider the baseline. If you are a citizen of France and you are accessing Pornhub via your residential ISP or your mobile phone, then your ISP already knows you are visiting Pornhub. This isn't concerning to anyone but the thickest thin-foil-hat wearing paranoid schizophrenics, and I've never heard of this leading to massive data breaches or blackmail situations either.

Given that ISPs appear to be basically trustworthy, they might as well do the age verification thing, too. They probably already have your personal info due to KYC-legislation.

Of course there are small differences: with age verification your ISP can distinguish between you and other people in your household, which removes a bit of plausible deniability. If you don't trust your ISP you can use alternate DNS-over-HTTPS, VPNs, proxys like Tor, etc. to cover your tracks, which you wouldn't be able to do anymore. But I bet 99,99% of Pornhub visitors in France don't bother with any of that, proving that they aren't actually concerned about being blackmailed or outed as porn consumers by their ISP.

Re: After Pornhub left France, this VPN saw a 1,000% surge in signups in 30 minutes

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Post by callamdelaney »

amriksohata wrote: post #77
callamdelaney wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the only true solution. Parents need to take responsibility for what their kids are doing online, what they’re viewing and who they’re talking to. This generation of parents should be prepared for that but apparently not.

This never happens tho - parents dont sometimes even know how to use the tech. Its like giving a gun to a child and telling them its ok, just remember when you open the packaging to take the safety off. ...and oh yeh the safety software changes every few months so you will have to review it

Apparently the average age of mothers is 30 - these parents should understand the risks of technology having be exposed to it themselves but we don’t seem to be seeing improvement in this area like we might expect.
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