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Anthropic co-founder on cutting access to Windsurf

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Re: Anthropic co-founder on cutting access to Windsurf

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These are two different products. It's like SpaceX launching satellites for competitive satellite internet services. They didn't care that they were providing launch capabilities for a competitor and neither should Anthropic. What if Apple stopped allowing you to use an iPhone if you worked at Google?

If SpaceX was launching every rocket at a loss then they would absolutely care about a competitor taking advantage of it.

Re: Anthropic co-founder on cutting access to Windsurf

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This feels like a cheap trick to drive users towards Claude Code How did you come to this conclusion? It’s very much like he remarked: OpenAI acquired Windsurf, OpenAI is Anthropics direct competitor. It doesn’t make strategic sense to sell Claude to OpenAI. OpenAI could train against Claude weights, or OpenAI can cut out Anthropic at any moment to push their own models. The partnership isn’t long lasting so it doe…

Totally irrelevant, Anthropic isn’t cutting off OpenAI, it is cutting off Windsurf users.

Windsurf users can still plug their own Anthropic key and continue using the models. It’s Windsurf subscribers (eg OpenAI customers) that use the models through the Windsurf service (through their servers as proxy, that’s now OpenAI) are getting cut off

I don’t see how this is irrelevant. Windsurf is a first party product of their most direct competitor. Imagine a car company integrating the cloud tech of a different manufacturer

Re: Anthropic co-founder on cutting access to Windsurf

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Wow excited for when Anthropic buys Cursor in a couple months and I get locked out of using OpenAI models with it. This is depressing. I just want stuff to work.

Does anyone here actually use OpenAI models in Cursor? I kind of forgot they were even there. I've just been alternating between Claude and Gemini, and the sense I've had in online discussions is that that's pretty normal.

Re: Anthropic co-founder on cutting access to Windsurf

#75

These are two different products. It's like SpaceX launching satellites for competitive satellite internet services. They didn't care that they were providing launch capabilities for a competitor and neither should Anthropic. What if Apple stopped allowing you to use an iPhone if you worked at Google?

> What if Apple stopped allowing you to use an iPhone if you worked at Google?

This wouldn't be remotely comparable. This is targeting of a competitor's employees, not targeting a competitor's subsidiaries.

If you want to go the Apple-Google route a better comparison would be that this is like Apple refusing to allow you to hook up an Air Tag on an Android phone. Which is something that they do, in fact, do.

Re: Anthropic co-founder on cutting access to Windsurf

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Decisions like this may shoot them in the foot later as opensource and cheaper compute continues to push into frontier model territory. I know I have no loyalty to the big providers and would take a minor quality/cost hit to jump off. Right now it isn't a minor quality / cost hit though. Knowing that they can cut you off if they think you are going to end up competing with them makes me tolerate an even bigger gap.

Re: Anthropic co-founder on cutting access to Windsurf

#77

These are two different products. It's like SpaceX launching satellites for competitive satellite internet services. They didn't care that they were providing launch capabilities for a competitor and neither should Anthropic. What if Apple stopped allowing you to use an iPhone if you worked at Google?

> What if Apple stopped allowing you to use an iPhone if you worked at Google? This wouldn't be remotely comparable. This is targeting of a competitor's employees, not targeting a competitor's subsidiaries. If you want to go the Apple-Google route a better comparison would be that this is like Apple refusing to allow you to hook up an Air Tag on an Android phone. Which is something that they do, in fact, do.

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Re: Anthropic co-founder on cutting access to Windsurf

#78

This seems pretty reasonable to me. I don't really understand why Windsurf, owned by OpenAI (allegedly), should expect to have API access to their main competitor's API. People can still bring their own key and use whatever models they want in that way.

It doesn't make sense and the co-founder is being an intentionally crappy communicator. He's trying to paint it as removing access to something everyone gets by default, but in reality it's removing special treatment that they were previously giving Windsurf. The default Anthropic rate limit tiers don't support something Windsurf sized, and right now getting increased rate limits outside of their predefined tiers is…

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Re: Anthropic co-founder on cutting access to Windsurf

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post #34

Wow excited for when Anthropic buys Cursor in a couple months and I get locked out of using OpenAI models with it. This is depressing. I just want stuff to work.

Void is basically the same thing, but open source and better. It's easy to use with any provider API key, even LM Studio for local models. You can use it with free models available from OpenRouter to try it out, but the quality of output is just as dependent on the model as any other solution.

https://voideditor.com/

https://github.com/voideditor/void

Re: Anthropic co-founder on cutting access to Windsurf

#80

This seems pretty reasonable to me. I don't really understand why Windsurf, owned by OpenAI (allegedly), should expect to have API access to their main competitor's API. People can still bring their own key and use whatever models they want in that way.

IDK, I pay someone money for a service, I would like the terms of our contract to protect me from getting cut off capriciously. The fact that Anthropic is selling a service without providing a contract that provides consumers with protections kinda sucks?
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