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Use AI code tools as collaborators, not crutches

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Re: Use AI code tools as collaborators, not crutches

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> This is not innovation. This is a security breach waiting to happen. No, it is innovation. The problem is that innovation is often bad .

How specifically is innovation often bad? Innovation, like scientific discovery, is merely an expansion of the veil of knowledge. Specific applications may be good or bad but knowledge and processes are neutral.

But applications can themselves be innovations. Innovation isn't a concept that's restricted only to abstract knowledge.

Re: Use AI code tools as collaborators, not crutches

#72
post #67

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It's all about the quality of your prompts (i.e. your skill at writing clear unambiguous instructions with correct terminologies). An experienced developer can generate tons of great code 30x faster with an Agent, with each function/module still being written using the least amount of code possible. But you're right, the measure of good code isn't 'N', it's '1/N' (inverse), where N is number of lines of code to do so…

What tech stack are you using? It matters a lot what tech you are using when it comes to how effective the LLMs are.

I'm using VSCode with Github Copilot, which has an "Agent Mode". It proactively reads thru your project files to understand the project, but imo you still have to give it pretty precise instructions to get what you want.

Re: Use AI code tools as collaborators, not crutches

#73
post #30

Ugh I feel like this general topic had been beaten to death, every article inevitably references the same viral moments on Twitter and draws roughly the same conclusions. But these articles get posted and upvoted cause we developers just eat that shit up (if I’m being honest I do at least, every time I see these kinds of posts I always smirk cause I know what the comments section is gonna be like).

Unfortunately it seems like the more you use AI, the dumber you become; I suspect these discussions will get more and more dramatic until we have two camps that don't even understand what the other side is saying anymore.

They said the same about search engines. People nowadays don't look up the index cards themselves and most kids probably can't figure it out. But other growth industries morph on top of what comes next. That's where the money is now.

Re: Use AI code tools as collaborators, not crutches

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post #29

Experienced senior developers can spot and fix the slop instantly, while still getting a 30x productivity gain, while entry level or junior devs basically only have one "Filter" by which they determine code quality which is: "Does the code seem to work?". Unfortunately "Slop" will appear to work enough of the time to fool a Junior. Also the reason Junior devs get "slop" is because their prompts are "slop". They don't…

30x-50x :) Right, if you're getting that, experienced senior is a pretty wild stretch.

On the latest 'All In' Podcast today, one of the Besties Billionaires said coding productivity boost was like '20x to 50x'. Probably just reads my HN.

Re: Use AI code tools as collaborators, not crutches

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post #59

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> Claude [almost] never breaks any of these rules. Well it does for me, frequently. An example is here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44126962

Not sure how Claude frequently fails for you, but everybody I know says it rarely fails. I'm definitely not claiming it's perfect tho.

Did you look at the link I sent?

Re: Use AI code tools as collaborators, not crutches

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post #75

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Not sure how Claude frequently fails for you, but everybody I know says it rarely fails. I'm definitely not claiming it's perfect tho.

Did you look at the link I sent?

What's your point?

Re: Use AI code tools as collaborators, not crutches

#77
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately it seems like the more you use AI, the dumber you become; I suspect these discussions will get more and more dramatic until we have two camps that don't even understand what the other side is saying anymore.

They said the same about search engines. People nowadays don't look up the index cards themselves and most kids probably can't figure it out. But other growth industries morph on top of what comes next. That's where the money is now.

Not the same thing, a search engine is a tool you use, an AI is something that uses you as a tool.

Re: Use AI code tools as collaborators, not crutches

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post #29

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30x-50x :) Right, if you're getting that, experienced senior is a pretty wild stretch.

On the latest 'All In' Podcast today, one of the Besties Billionaires said coding productivity boost was like '20x to 50x'. Probably just reads my HN.

He's not talking about the technology, he's talking about the money he's planning on making.
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