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Re: TSMC bets on unorthodox optical tech

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This comment appears insightful but I have no idea what it means. Can someone elaborate?

Electrons are fermions which means that two electrons can't occupy the same quantum state (Pauli exclusion principle). Bosons don't have the limit so I believe that implies that you can have stronger signals at the low end since you can have multiple photons conveying or storing the same information.

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Re: TSMC bets on unorthodox optical tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might be right and they are talking about fibre bundles, but that that's something different to a multicore fibre (and much larger as well, which could pose significant problems especially if we are talking cm links). What isn't addressed is that leds are quite spatially incoherent and beam divergence is strong, so the fibres they must use are pretty large, coupling via just a connector might not be easy especial…

> You might be right and they are talking about fibre bundles The caption of the image of the cable and connector reads: "CMOS ASIC with microLEDs sending data with blue light into a fiberbundle ." So yes, fibre bundles. > I don't see any advantage over vcsel arrays They claim the following advantages: 1. Low energy use 2. Low "computational overhead" 3. Scalability All of these at least pass the smell test. LEDs are…

Aren't they also claiming this is more reliable? I'm told laser reliability is a hurdle for CPO.

And given the talk about this as a CPO alternative, I was assuming this was for back plane and connections of a few metres, not components on the same PCB.

Re: TSMC bets on unorthodox optical tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You might be right and they are talking about fibre bundles The caption of the image of the cable and connector reads: "CMOS ASIC with microLEDs sending data with blue light into a fiberbundle ." So yes, fibre bundles. > I don't see any advantage over vcsel arrays They claim the following advantages: 1. Low energy use 2. Low "computational overhead" 3. Scalability All of these at least pass the smell test. LEDs are…

Aren't they also claiming this is more reliable? I'm told laser reliability is a hurdle for CPO. And given the talk about this as a CPO alternative, I was assuming this was for back plane and connections of a few metres, not components on the same PCB.

> Aren't they also claiming this is more reliable?

Indeed they do. I overlooked that.

I know little about microLED arrays and their reliability, so I won't guess about how credible this is: LED reliability has a lot of factors. The cables involved will probably be less reliable than conventional laser fiber optics due to the much larger number of fibers that have to be precision assembled. Likely to be more fragile as well.

On-site fabricating or repairing such cables likely isn't feasible.

Re: TSMC bets on unorthodox optical tech

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That article is really low on details and mixes up a lot of things. It compares microleds to traditional WDM fiber transmission systems with edge emitting DFB lasers and ECLs, but in datacentre interconnects there's plenty of optical links already and they use VCSELs (vertical cavity surface emitting lasers), which are much cheaper to manufacture. People also have been putting these into arrays and coupling to multi-…

The article is about chip interconnects. Think like replacing PCIe, NVLink, or HBM/DDR RAM buses, with optical communication.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't they also claiming this is more reliable? I'm told laser reliability is a hurdle for CPO. And given the talk about this as a CPO alternative, I was assuming this was for back plane and connections of a few metres, not components on the same PCB.

> Aren't they also claiming this is more reliable? Indeed they do. I overlooked that. I know little about microLED arrays and their reliability, so I won't guess about how credible this is: LED reliability has a lot of factors. The cables involved will probably be less reliable than conventional laser fiber optics due to the much larger number of fibers that have to be precision assembled. Likely to be more fragile a…

I understand that CPO reliability concerns are specifically with the laser drivers. It's very expensive to replace your whole chip when one fails. Even if the cables are a concern (I've no idea), having more reliable drivers would still be preferable to less reliable cables, given how much cheaper/easier replacing cables would be (up to a point, of course).

Re: TSMC bets on unorthodox optical tech

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Forgive the noob question but what stops us from making optical transistors?

Electric signals can be made to operate and switch currents on-demand in CMOS transistors to make logic gates and eventually CPUs. Light signals, however, operate linearly - photons just pass through each other and don't interact.
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