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Four years of sight reading practice

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Re: Four years of sight reading practice

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember typing tutors that started with the home row and slowly expanded. There aren’t a lot of words that use the home row exclusively, so you end up with nonsense. (You said “typing tutors programs” but my memory is of actual tutors, as in, people.) You may not like practicing random notes but maybe you want to play Schönberg or Bartók?

Bartók... >shudder< You have a point.

As a counterpoint, Bartok’s Mikrokosmos [1] was the “textbook” for a piano sight reading class at my community college. He does have a lot of accessible, even pedagogical, pieces.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikrokosmos_(Bart%C3%B3k)

Re: Four years of sight reading practice

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This is a really terrible way to learn sightreading.

I got to music college without really being able to read at all and turned it into a real strength to the extent that by my final year I was by far the best sight reader in the college on my instrument (I was a bass player so it's a relatively low bar, but I was even a good reader compared to many folks on other instruments). How I learned (and what I would recommend) is get yourself a truly massive pile of music for your instrument and get a metronome or drum machine app on your preferred device.

Then, every day (will take a few months to get good) pick a piece up from the pile, allow yourself a few seconds to check out the key and time signature, check for repeats etc so you know the basic structure and look for anything funky (odd bars, key changes etc). Set the metronome a little below the indicated tempo on the music (you can work up to sightreading fully up to speed), then start the metronome and immediately play it through without stopping as though you were doing a performance. Then put the music on the done pile, pick up the next piece and go back to the start.

So: Use real music. Play each piece once as though it was a performance. With a metronome/drum machine to keep you honest tempo-wise. In a few months you will get good at sightreading.

Once you're good start doing transcriptions of things you like. Doesn't need to be your instrument. Obviously this helps your ear but I found it also helped my sightreading. But it's not really worth doing until your basic sightreading chops are solid.

Re: Four years of sight reading practice

#73

This is a really terrible way to learn sightreading. I got to music college without really being able to read at all and turned it into a real strength to the extent that by my final year I was by far the best sight reader in the college on my instrument (I was a bass player so it's a relatively low bar, but I was even a good reader compared to many folks on other instruments). How I learned (and what I would recomme…

The one additional thing I forgot to mention is that random notes as per TFA are almost entirely unrelated to the activity of sight reading but random rhythms are not. I made myself a bunch of flashcards with every conceivable combination of notes and rests adding up to a crotchet/quarter note on each card. Then I would scramble the deck , set the metronome and deal myself out say 4 bars of 4/4. Then sing or tap the rhythm in tempo. That helped a lot for reading more rhythmically intense stuff.

Re: Four years of sight reading practice

#74

This is cool, though the notes in your example look pretty random? Are they actually randomly or is it just too modern for me to hear it without playing it? I'm a fairly average pianist, but sight reading is a (relative) strength. Being able to play random notes is definitely part of it, but I think for me sight-reading is more about getting a sense of the gist of the music (a lot of pattern matching of common phrase…

Yes the notes are in a random sequence. The "chords" appear to be chosen as major or minor triads, with random inversions or random "common intervals" like octaves, fifths and fourths, I don't think I've ever come across a tritone or "wierd" intervals.

I have gone through various phases in how it feels to play these random notes. Right at the beginning there is obviously the mechanical skill of just being able to put your fingers in the right place. This is less pronounced on piano than guitar, since single notes on the piano are obviously pretty easy for anyone. But when I switched to chords, I definitely felt the feeling I remember from learning the guitar, where the campfire chord shapes seemed to be just impossible to achieve with my fingers.

Keep in mind that this is not the only thing I'm doing to learn - I am also learning pieces, playing arpeggios and scales and studying music theory. Lately I've been gaining speed on the random notes by identifying runs and reading ahead a bit like you're describing.

I am quite proficient at guitar, played in a band and did a lot of pop music playing where you're handed a lyric sheet with chords and you have to just play. I can do that pretty much without prep. I can also "sight read" tablature for reasonably simple finger picking for novel songs quite a bit faster than I am able to do it on piano at the moment. I could never quite get there for traditional notation although I tried. I struggled to improve because once I knew the piece, I could play it without reading the music. So I would laboriously figure out the fingerings, then just play the piece from memory once I had done that. This was all happening in the early 1990s so I also didn't have the glut of music we would have now. Tablature was much more available for the pieces I wante to learn than traditional notation. I guess there is a mode where you force yourself to only learn new pieces all the time, but I found that pretty frustrating coming from zero.

I'm finding with piano, now that I have the notes in my fingers, that first step is much less frustrating and I can focus on building the mechanical dexterity to execute the phrases and remember the music.

Re: Four years of sight reading practice

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This is a really terrible way to learn sightreading. I got to music college without really being able to read at all and turned it into a real strength to the extent that by my final year I was by far the best sight reader in the college on my instrument (I was a bass player so it's a relatively low bar, but I was even a good reader compared to many folks on other instruments). How I learned (and what I would recomme…

The one additional thing I forgot to mention is that random notes as per TFA are almost entirely unrelated to the activity of sight reading but random rhythms are not. I made myself a bunch of flashcards with every conceivable combination of notes and rests adding up to a crotchet/quarter note on each card. Then I would scramble the deck , set the metronome and deal myself out say 4 bars of 4/4. Then sing or tap the…

I'm curious in both of these cases what you are using for feedback. Specifically in the rhythm case, how do you know if you nailed it or just played some other rhythm than was shown by your cards? Did you also generate the sound?

In the case of playing a random piece of music, if you don't know it, again, how do you know how well you've done? I've been contemplating a similar thing with my repertoire playing, choosing a random bar for revision or learning via Anki.

Another thing - it sounded like you already played your instrument well, but wanted sight read, when you were doing this learning. So perhaps you already had a lot of the phrases in your fingers so to speak and this was just allowing you to connect the notation to what you already knew how to play. Do you think this would have worked well in my case where I could play a different instrument but didn't have any mechanical memory of chord shapes, arpeggios and so on in my fingers?

Re: Four years of sight reading practice

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>I am mostly counting the number of sharps and flats and translating that to the keyboard through a pattern I figured out early on. The sharps “activate” from left to right across the groups of black notes, starting with F♯, alternating between the two groups of black notes. This is easier to get into your fingers than any other memorisation technique. The order for flats is mechanically symmetrical – you just start…

Yes, I guess this is what self-taught looks like. Although I have seen the use of mnemonics to remember the order of things in many contexts in music, including formal teaching. I thought some of these were universal: FACE and Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge for the note names on the staff, Father Charles Goes Down And Ends Battle, Battle Ends And Down Goes Charles' Father.

By this time I must admit that the random note playing is just an activity that I enjoy improving at independently, while I do think it's also making it easier for me to pick up new pieces quickly.

Re: Four years of sight reading practice

#77

Doesn't practicing with random notes become very boring? I imagine it would be far more engaging (but also far more complicated) to tap into an archive of songs and present those randomly, either selected by or transposed into the key that you want to practice.

I have found this to be less boring than trying to plough through my copy of Hanon, since there is rapid feedback. It's a different kind of game. I struggle to get to 10 minutes of scales or Hanon stuff, but have no issue on the random notes.

Re: Four years of sight reading practice

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I've been tracking my sight reading practice for four years using an iPad app, storing the results and plotting them. I am still seeing progress even after four years.

If you're ever looking to learn sight-reading of lead sheets that use chord symbols, take a look at: https://mikebwilliams.com/chords/ You can do the same thing where you configure it to just one key, start with the basic triads, etc.

This is amazing, thank you! I have indeed been looking for something like this.

Re: Four years of sight reading practice

#80

I've been tracking my sight reading practice for four years using an iPad app, storing the results and plotting them. I am still seeing progress even after four years.

The charts are neat. Are you using any insights gained from the data collection to guide your practice? I'm not tracking my music practice (maybe I should) but I've been wearing a health tracker for years and have collected a ton of data. None of it seems very actionable because there have been no surprises.

These charts are serving a few purposes. First of all, it is motivating to me to see improvement. I can see for instance learning curve dropout when I skip practice, and knowing what a gap will look like on the chart motivates me to keep going. I also use the key-specific curves to choose keys to focus on, so that I don't keep going on the ones I know well. I'm planning to add some more visualisation to understand if there is a pattern to perhaps sharps or flats being harder, or if there is a sharp to flat transition effect which I suspect at the moment - after playing a few days where all the keys are sharps, it feels weird to move to flats.
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