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Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by emsign »

sshine wrote: post #44
kachapopopow wrote: post #40

Some of these are very obviously trained on webtoons and manga, probably pixiv as well. This is very clear due to seeing CG buildings and other misc artifacts. So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material. Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text so it will have to be nearly forever powered by human artists or else you will continue to end up with artifacting. So it makes me wonder if art…

It’s great that you have sympathy for illustrators, but I don’t see a big difference if the training data is a novel, a picture, a song, a piece of code, or even a piece of legal text. As my mom retired from being a translator, she went from typewriter to machine-assisted translation with centralised corpus-databases. All the while the available work became less and less, and the wages became lower and lower. In the…

You can't compare translation to creating new works of art. Sorry mom, but that's apples and oranges. A dangerously false comparison.

Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by emsign »

zx8080 wrote: post #63
khalic wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just not true, LLMs struggle very hard with even basic recursive questions, nuances and dialects

But as a customer cannot know that, they will tend to consume (and mostly trust) whatever LLM result is given.

Yes indeed. After a few years humans will be trained to accept the low tier AI translations as the new normal, hopefully I'm dead by then already.

Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by protocolture »

kachapopopow wrote: post #40

Some of these are very obviously trained on webtoons and manga, probably pixiv as well. This is very clear due to seeing CG buildings and other misc artifacts. So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material. Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text so it will have to be nearly forever powered by human artists or else you will continue to end up with artifacting. So it makes me wonder if art…

>So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material.

Is it? I have no knowledge of this product, but I recall Novel AI paid for a database of tagged Anime style images. Its not impossible for something similar to have happened here.

Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by numpad0 »

wordpad wrote: post #45
kachapopopow wrote: post #40

Some of these are very obviously trained on webtoons and manga, probably pixiv as well. This is very clear due to seeing CG buildings and other misc artifacts. So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material. Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text so it will have to be nearly forever powered by human artists or else you will continue to end up with artifacting. So it makes me wonder if art…

Artists push the envelope. With AI tools artists will be able to push further, doing things that AI can't do yet.

Audiences too. People loses interest fast for anything that something faceless can provide, whether the thing is machines or humans, or whether the act is drawing art or assembling iPhone.

Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by numpad0 »

rhubarbtree wrote: post #54
kachapopopow wrote: post #40

Some of these are very obviously trained on webtoons and manga, probably pixiv as well. This is very clear due to seeing CG buildings and other misc artifacts. So this is obviously trained on copyrighted material. Art is something that cannot be generated like synthetic text so it will have to be nearly forever powered by human artists or else you will continue to end up with artifacting. So it makes me wonder if art…

I think many artists will see that if they publish anything original then AI companies will immediately use it as training data without regards to copyright. The result will be less original art. They will simply stop creating it or publishing it. IMO music streaming has similarly lead to a collapse in quality music artistry, as fewer talented individuals are incentivised to go down that path. AI will do the same for…

I don't think future tense is appropriate here as it's been few years since appearance of open weights image models. We're already transitioning into the gap phase between Napster to Vocaloid.

Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by protocolture »

veonik wrote: post #23
internet2000 wrote: post #9

We’re so close to finally being able to generate our own Haruhi season 3… what a time to be alive.

Dude… are you telling me it isnt actually finished? I am watching season 1 for the first time…

My memory is:

1. Haruhi is based on light novels, so has to actually perform to get a release. Japanese market is upside down, the anime often goes to free to air to support a manga release where the real money is made (I have no idea how this works economically this is just how its explained to me) as there isn't any more manga or light novels to release, the likelihood of another season is low. It was sort of always a passion project.

2. The studio was firebombed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Animation_arson_attack

3. Season 2 was critically panned, but I dunno I thought it was pretty genius.

My suggestion, watch both series, then read the english translation of the novels.

Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by xingped »

internet2000 wrote: post #9

We’re so close to finally being able to generate our own Haruhi season 3… what a time to be alive.

Literally the first proper anime series (not including movies or like DBZ) that I ever watched. Still fondly remember it and still salty about how the director killed it. It would be the greatest gift of a lifetime if anyone ever either finished the series or rebooted and completed it.

Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by nickserv »

earthnail wrote: post #47
sshine wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s great that you have sympathy for illustrators, but I don’t see a big difference if the training data is a novel, a picture, a song, a piece of code, or even a piece of legal text. As my mom retired from being a translator, she went from typewriter to machine-assisted translation with centralised corpus-databases. All the while the available work became less and less, and the wages became lower and lower. In the…

Here’s the argument: The output of her translations had no copyright. Language developed independently of translators. The output of artists has copyright. Artists shape the space in which they’re generating output. The fear now is that if we no longer have a market where people generate novel arts, that space will stagnate.

A translation is absolutely under copyright. It is a creative process after all.

This means a book can be in public domain for the original text, because it's very old, but not the translation because it's newer.

For example Julius Caesar's "Gallic War" in the original latin is clearly not subject to copyright, but a recent English translation will be.

Re: AniSora: Open-source anime video generation model

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

earthnail wrote: post #47
sshine wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s great that you have sympathy for illustrators, but I don’t see a big difference if the training data is a novel, a picture, a song, a piece of code, or even a piece of legal text. As my mom retired from being a translator, she went from typewriter to machine-assisted translation with centralised corpus-databases. All the while the available work became less and less, and the wages became lower and lower. In the…

Here’s the argument: The output of her translations had no copyright. Language developed independently of translators. The output of artists has copyright. Artists shape the space in which they’re generating output. The fear now is that if we no longer have a market where people generate novel arts, that space will stagnate.

Piracy is promotion, look at all the fanfiction.

Also in case of graphic and voice artists unique style looks more valuable than output itself, but style isn't protected by copyright.

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