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Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by itsanaccount »

doug_durham wrote: post #69
itsanaccount wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

docs seem pretty straightforward: - Ember - social networking toolkit - Social - fb/activitypub feed like - Community - fb groups (wonder if they have voting based admin) - Open Science - a peer review app? - Coordination - ticket/kanban/w/e productivity software - Cooperation - fb marketplace?

To reiterate what the earlier poster asked "what is it"? Are these 6 fully completed, polished, and ready to use applications? Are they ideas for applications? Are they PoC?

Best go ask their community engagement manager and head of product. I'm sure they'll guide you along.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by quesera »

troupo wrote: post #17
frotaur wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't they chasing those to ultimately generate profits?

Not in the past 10 years or so, no. To the point that Uber said they may never generate profit in their IPO filing

> in their IPO filing

That's meaningless -- just legal boilerplate.

No one wants to be sued for their dog & pony show sales pitch, so they always hedge by including explicit doom & gloom scenarios in the legal paperwork.

Similar hedges are present in annual reports for corps of all sizes.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by troupo »

quesera wrote: post #72
troupo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not in the past 10 years or so, no. To the point that Uber said they may never generate profit in their IPO filing

> in their IPO filing That's meaningless -- just legal boilerplate. No one wants to be sued for their dog & pony show sales pitch, so they always hedge by including explicit doom & gloom scenarios in the legal paperwork. Similar hedges are present in annual reports for corps of all sizes.

> That's meaningless -- just legal boilerplate.

However legal or meaningless, it's their official stated position. And they did lose close to 20 billion in total before turning a meagre profit.

> so they always hedge by including explicit doom & gloom scenarios in the legal paperwork.

Ah yes, "we may never turn a profit that's why we are a sustainable long-term serious company and you should definitely buy our stock" is a thing that every company writes in their legal boilerplate.

> Similar hedges are present in annual reports for corps of all sizes.

Uber's annual reports were "we lost a billion dollars this year, like every other year before that for 15 years, but look at our growth go brrr"

Same for most of other HN darlings.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by [deleted] »

aloisdg wrote: post #33
ebisoka wrote: post #29

These sites are easy to figure out. Go to Main Page Scroll down to go to the "Code of Conduct" Search on "Reverse" Read "Our community prioritises marginalised people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. Moderators reserve the right not to act on complaints regarding: ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia.’ or critiques of racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressiv…

What a long way to say that you don't understand Karl Popper

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Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by James_K »

My question for these projects will always be: what do you offer over the Web? I'll grant that most people lack the technical know-how to create their own website from scratch, but it's perfectly possible to buy your own little plot of internet and plug-in to some hosting provider who bundles in a blogging package.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by immibis »

snickerer wrote: post #6

I did not understand what this is about from the article. It is social and wants to empower people, but how? From reading the 'about' page I understood that this is a new social media platform in the Fediverse. Now there is obviously one question: why should I participate in this and not in the existing projects like Mastodon? Why did you split up? I suggest the Bonfire people should put the answer to that question o…

There isn't really a Fediverse. There's Mastodon, Mastodon-compatible software, Lemmy, and Lemmy-compatible software - often colloquially referred to as the Fediverse. And then, there's everything else, including federated technologies which aren't one of the above, such as the web, email, and RSS.

If Bonfire isn't compatible with Mastodon or Lemmy it doesn't fit into the former category.

(Anyone who's tried to implement ActivityPub knows it's a lie. You implement Mastodon Protocol or Lemmy Protocol. If you follow ActivityPub you'll be alone on your own new protocol)

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by immibis »

troupo wrote: post #17
frotaur wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't they chasing those to ultimately generate profits?

Not in the past 10 years or so, no. To the point that Uber said they may never generate profit in their IPO filing

How can they take whatever ridiculous percentage of every ride and still not make a profit ...?

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by quesera »

troupo wrote: post #73
quesera wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> in their IPO filing That's meaningless -- just legal boilerplate. No one wants to be sued for their dog & pony show sales pitch, so they always hedge by including explicit doom & gloom scenarios in the legal paperwork. Similar hedges are present in annual reports for corps of all sizes.

> That's meaningless -- just legal boilerplate. However legal or meaningless, it's their official stated position. And they did lose close to 20 billion in total before turning a meagre profit. > so they always hedge by including explicit doom & gloom scenarios in the legal paperwork. Ah yes, "we may never turn a profit that's why we are a sustainable long-term serious company and you should definitely buy our stock"…

Yes, that's absolutely what they write. They will always be explicit that they could be wrong in disastrous ways and they are not misleading you into thinking otherwise.

Every public corp's "official stated position" on future profitability is, from a legal perspective, the same:

No promises. We might fail because of (long list of endogenous and exogenous reasons). Past performance is no guarantee of future results. We see headwinds here, here, and here. There are headwinds that we cannot see. We can't predict the future. Some hostile actor in some country, foreign or domestic, might screw us all by legal, political, or military means. Also, natural disasters, pandemics, asteroids, and trends. Don't sue us.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by rhet0rica »

fosterbuster wrote: post #62
aloisdg wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a long way to say that you don't understand Karl Popper

What should I understand about Karl Popper?

Popper coined the "paradox of tolerance"—that, in order to remain tolerant, a society cannot tolerate everything; in particular, it cannot show tolerance toward those who are intolerant, as their normalization inevitably leads to the demise of toleration in the public sphere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

We all have to be prepared to bite our tongues in order to make the world worth living in, but it has to be a negative feedback system—those who fail to restrain themselves must (at some point) be censured for the sake of the commons. We can argue all day about how much grumbling should be permitted before we issue the rebuke, but total individual freedom invariably destroys society; it's a tragedy of the commons.

Re: Slow software for a burning world

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Post by benrutter »

rhet0rica wrote: post #79
fosterbuster wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What should I understand about Karl Popper?

Popper coined the "paradox of tolerance"—that, in order to remain tolerant, a society cannot tolerate everything; in particular, it cannot show tolerance toward those who are intolerant, as their normalization inevitably leads to the demise of toleration in the public sphere. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance We all have to be prepared to bite our tongues in order to make the world worth living in, b…

Isn't the reference and context backwards here?

As in, the "you should read Popper" comment was in response to somebody saying they though opting out of moderation/censorship was not good. I think Popper would broadly agree with this, and say that moderating out racism, transphobia etc is essential for good discourse.

This is all unfounded obviously, since Popper didn't ever use or write about social media.

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