I really wish Europe would consider a continent-wide ban on Meta and X. We gain nothing positive from these companies, they only serve to destabilize our democracies, disinfom citizens and ostracize people.
The dark side of account bans
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#72> I couldn’t access their menus. They were only on Instagram, and it’d force a sign in before showing me the content. > so many restaurants and cafes here purely use Instagram (or sometimes Facebook) to host their menus. That's idiotic. Really, reaaaally idiotic. Like, "talk to the manager and tell them they are doing a very stupid thing" levels of idiotic. This "we're too modern and digital to get out heads out of o…
> This "we're too modern and digital to get out heads out of our asses" attitude towards adopting "cool technology" with complete disregard for an analog Plan B gets to my nerves. All restaurants have an "analog plan B", it's called walking in and asking for a menu. These are tiny businesses run by people who love food, not tech. It really is asking too much to expect them to work at and understand the ideas behind d…
> All restaurants have an "analog plan B", it's called walking in and asking for a menu
At least every second month I walk out of a new restaurant I’ve discovered because they don’t even care to have it.
Employees treat you like it’s your fault that you can’t see the prices behind a Meta auth wall. They won’t even offer to read it out to you or show in a device of their own.
Nowadays, if I see a triangle-shaped cardboard with a QR code on top of each table, I’m 95% sure I will walk out of there hungry. And angry.
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#73Sounds like an awful experience. It's easy to create fake FB or Insta accounts to get around the restaurant menus problem, but getting WhatsApp banned must be a nightmare. I didn't even know that could happen!
Is it easy? Last time I tried to create a throwaway account it demanded a video of my head. This was after automatically banning on creation my account.
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#74> I couldn’t access their menus. They were only on Instagram, and it’d force a sign in before showing me the content. > so many restaurants and cafes here purely use Instagram (or sometimes Facebook) to host their menus. That's idiotic. Really, reaaaally idiotic. Like, "talk to the manager and tell them they are doing a very stupid thing" levels of idiotic. This "we're too modern and digital to get out heads out of o…
I really don’t understand why some societies rely so much on Meta services, specially considering they are SO MUCH WORSE to administer, specially for a non-tech user, compared to creating a website in Wix (or even a free Wordpress.com account), or maybe updating your Google Maps business with the right information.
Maybe that shows a lack of critical thinking in the general population? I.e.: people must be using FB/IG because it’s the only thing they know, and never questioned themselves if there are other avenues?
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you say so then it must be true.
The first paragraph of your previous comment states some conclusions that you've assumed. Your second paragraph gives a single example which is apparently supposed to support that conclusion. That's a definitional example of cherry-picking and hasty generalization. The projection comes in because it's difficult to see how you would reach those conclusions from the available evidence, unless you're projecting.
No, I didn’t quote all available evidence in an internet comment. I’d never finish, if I did that. Instead I picked one salient but infrequently encountered body of evidence. I recommend reading the book.
And if you want more evidence than that, then I suggest reading about Stanley Milgram’s famous experiments. A little quote:
Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become
patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions
incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively
few people have the resources needed to resist authority.
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#76> I couldn’t access their menus. They were only on Instagram, and it’d force a sign in before showing me the content. > so many restaurants and cafes here purely use Instagram (or sometimes Facebook) to host their menus. That's idiotic. Really, reaaaally idiotic. Like, "talk to the manager and tell them they are doing a very stupid thing" levels of idiotic. This "we're too modern and digital to get out heads out of o…
This is literally the new normal in a lot of places in Europe. I have no idea where you are that you think you could complain about this, they would just eye roll at you.
> Whoa, wait a minute, Doc. What are you talkin’ about? What happens to us in the future? What, do we become assholes or somethin’?
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
The first paragraph of your previous comment states some conclusions that you've assumed. Your second paragraph gives a single example which is apparently supposed to support that conclusion. That's a definitional example of cherry-picking and hasty generalization. The projection comes in because it's difficult to see how you would reach those conclusions from the available evidence, unless you're projecting.
No, I didn’t quote all available evidence in an internet comment. I’d never finish, if I did that. Instead I picked one salient but infrequently encountered body of evidence. I recommend reading the book. And if you want more evidence than that, then I suggest reading about Stanley Milgram’s famous experiments. A little quote: Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they a…
That "quote all available evidence" line is disingenuous. A substantial argument doesn't require that, but you didn't make any argument.
If you're unaware of all the criticism of Milgram's experiments, then you have some studying to do before we can have a meaningful discussion about this.
While you're catching up on the history of social psychology since 1961, you might want to ask yourself why it is that you're so eager to believe that "ordinary people are mostly evil". Do you have a religious background, perhaps? "Original sin" and all that?
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
The first paragraph of your previous comment states some conclusions that you've assumed. Your second paragraph gives a single example which is apparently supposed to support that conclusion. That's a definitional example of cherry-picking and hasty generalization. The projection comes in because it's difficult to see how you would reach those conclusions from the available evidence, unless you're projecting.
No, I didn’t quote all available evidence in an internet comment. I’d never finish, if I did that. Instead I picked one salient but infrequently encountered body of evidence. I recommend reading the book. And if you want more evidence than that, then I suggest reading about Stanley Milgram’s famous experiments. A little quote: Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they a…
Anyone who takes the Milgram Experiments or the Stanford Prison Experiment seriously needs their head examining.
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#79I have a similar, though less horrible story. We recently launched an app where we wanted to have a Facebook sign-in button since our target audience would be people that use Facebook a lot. Being Gen Z and not having a Facebook account at all (anymore) I made one for Meta developers, set everything up for development and tested stuff for a few weeks. When we finally did want to go live, we went through the Meta for…
Yeah, I had a similar frustrating time. Not a personal ban, but trying to help a friend verify their business for the WhatsApp API.
We followed the process twice, really carefully. Both times Facebook failed to verify the business. No clear reason why.
We posted everything on their developer forum hoping for help, but got nothing back. Just silence!! Many people were facing the same issue like us.
Ended up having to give up and tell my friend I couldn't help. Honestly, the fear of getting banned mysel if I kept pushing stopped me from trying it one more time.
these platforms are difficult to deal with when things go wrong.
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#80I've reported a lot of prostitution ads on Instagram, but they always responded to the report with "we found nothing wrong". After reporting these ads, Meta decided I liked them and started showing me more and more, but I've given up on reporting them, since no action is taken. Meta seem to not actually check reports. My theory is that they just rely on some percentage of reports maybe relating to followers, reports,…
Same reason twitch don't ban big accounts that break ToS, only the small ones. The big accounts make them money so they don't want to ban them. I recommend watching an Amouranth stream and keeping the ToS open in another window, and counting the violations.
It is possible that those high-value users sign different terms of service once they reach a treshold. Doesn't make it better, but it's an interesting thought.