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Re: Launch HN: Exa (YC S21) – The web as a database

#71
I searched for 'data providers that start with the letter R that sell job postings data', and it's been 15 minutes and it barely verified the first row.

But if it filtered it first to "start with the letter R", it would only have to look at perhaps 5% of the results it's trying to verify!

So it's doing needless verification of results that will be thrown out by another filter that should've been applied first!

Re: Launch HN: Exa (YC S21) – The web as a database

#72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mission of Exa has always been to build much better web search. The evolution has been: - 2022: Consumer-facing embeddings search (back when we were known as Metaphor) - 2023: Web search for AIs - once the AI ecosystem heated up, we made a business out of web search + crawling API. This is still our primary business. - Now: Websets, a useful product built on top of our search tech If you're curious, our company right…

It must be heartening for a startup trying to build the best general search engine in the world to know that Google has absolutely no interest in competing with you.

Because Google makes money from ads, they're not actually optimized to build the best general search engine in the world, they're optimized to build the search engine that makes the most from ads, which is correlated with being a good search engine but not perfectly aligned. Our business model (paying directly for the search) incentivizes us to try to return the highest quality results, without any bias toward making money from ads. It also enables us to do things like pour a ton of compute/resources into a query to get the best possible results we can find, because someone would pay us a lot for that, and that's hard to do under an ads-based model.

Re: Launch HN: Exa (YC S21) – The web as a database

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're a startup, so most of our resources go towards use cases that our users care most about. So the search should work best for - people, companies, papers, high quality written content (e.g., blogs, news). It should work well at more than just those (try Github repo search, it's quite good :D), but those are the best supported. Types of searches Websets doesn't currently do well at: - products (e.g., ecommerce sit…

Geospatial data would be great. This stuff is notoriously annoying to search for. For example: "Give me a list of free imagery service endpoints I can use in a maplibre style sheet. Include information such as name, description, service endpoint, service type, extent (global/regional)."

This might be possible if you specify geospatial location as an enriched column. The visualization of it as a map though is not supported in the UI, but can be built by giving an LLM access to the Websets API

Re: Launch HN: Exa (YC S21) – The web as a database

#74

I was so excited for this, but sadly it doesn't work at all, not even UI feedback for the error:( The UI showed literally no change. So I checked and the console shows: ``` Try: 14 Not Found 681-7df1b139fa2dc9f0.js:14:3379 Try: 15 Not Found 681-7df1b139fa2dc9f0.js:14:3379 Try: 16 Not Found 681-7df1b139fa2dc9f0.js:14:3379 Try: 17 Not Found 681-7df1b139fa2dc9f0.js:14:3379 Try: 18 Not Found 681-7df1b139fa2dc9f0.js:14:33…

When OpenAI was rumored to acquire Windsurf last week I went to their site and switched languages. When I tried to switch back it got into a weird state and didn't display the original language. Not sure what to think of that other than vibe coding may need a little more oversight. (Who is working on AI QA? Winning pickaxe and shovel business right there.)

Re: Launch HN: Exa (YC S21) – The web as a database

#75
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Did my favorite search query, and the result were pretty bad, as expected: "robotics servo motors with two-directional control for under $100" 1. https://mjbots.com/ - their motor are $1369. FAIL. 2. https://www.pololu.com/ - this is huge store, but they do have some motors like that. Pass, but wish it linked to specific page and not top top-level one. 3. dh-robotics.com - no prices, but some products on open market…

It sounds like they have yet to focus on products yet. Loosely quoting https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43907634:

> So the search should work best for people, companies, papers, high quality written content.

> Types of searches Websets doesn't currently do well at: products, content that requires authentication/permissions to access, and non-English content

Re: Launch HN: Exa (YC S21) – The web as a database

#76

Will, Jeff, I am a BIG Exa fan. Congrats on finally doing your HN Launch. I think NewsCatcher (my YC startup) and Exa aren’t direct competitors but we definitely share the same insight — SERP is not the right way to let LLM interact with web. Because it’s literally optimized for humans who can open 10 pages at most. What we found is that LLMs can sift through 10k+ web pages if you pre-extract all the signals out of i…

Thanks Artem! That makes sense to specialize for the biggest customers. Yes, a lot of problems in the world would be improved by better search, including dating.

Re: Launch HN: Exa (YC S21) – The web as a database

#77

I was so excited for this, but sadly it doesn't work at all, not even UI feedback for the error:( The UI showed literally no change. So I checked and the console shows: ``` Try: 14 Not Found 681-7df1b139fa2dc9f0.js:14:3379 Try: 15 Not Found 681-7df1b139fa2dc9f0.js:14:3379 Try: 16 Not Found 681-7df1b139fa2dc9f0.js:14:3379 Try: 17 Not Found 681-7df1b139fa2dc9f0.js:14:3379 Try: 18 Not Found 681-7df1b139fa2dc9f0.js:14:33…

I also thought the UX had silently died on me, but over the course of a few hours, results slowly rolled in. And they were pretty good, for what it's worth! It's clear they have far more demand than supply, at least than can be reasonably offered for free.

Re: Launch HN: Exa (YC S21) – The web as a database

#78
Did you guys change the pricing of Exa?

When I checked this a year or so ago, I might have gotten the impression that it was cheaper. Now, it costs the same as what Perplexity charges for search-grounded queries, which is the same as Google charges for Gemini queries with search.

So basically, one player sets a price, and everyone is anchored on that as the pricing for the entire category? I'm just genuinely interested in why every offering in this space is priced like this.

It seems a bit misaligned with how pure LLM queries are priced.

I have a product that would benefit from search grounding, but this pricing wouldn't work with my volume of queries.

Re: Launch HN: Exa (YC S21) – The web as a database

#79
post #69

Did my favorite search query, and the result were pretty bad, as expected: "robotics servo motors with two-directional control for under $100" 1. https://mjbots.com/ - their motor are $1369. FAIL. 2. https://www.pololu.com/ - this is huge store, but they do have some motors like that. Pass, but wish it linked to specific page and not top top-level one. 3. dh-robotics.com - no prices, but some products on open market…

Curious: what is an example of a robotics servo motor with one-directional control?

My experience around such started with pwm hobby servos, includes dynamixels, and I've worked with larger stuff using harmonic drive gearboxes. Can't recall encountering a "servo" that is one-directional.

Re: Launch HN: Exa (YC S21) – The web as a database

#80

Did you guys change the pricing of Exa? When I checked this a year or so ago, I might have gotten the impression that it was cheaper. Now, it costs the same as what Perplexity charges for search-grounded queries, which is the same as Google charges for Gemini queries with search. So basically, one player sets a price, and everyone is anchored on that as the pricing for the entire category? I'm just genuinely interest…

What product of yours would benefit, if I dont mind asking?
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