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Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

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Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

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The Cursor founders (technically the company is called Anysphere, Inc) are all young MIT grads. What they needed is a 40-year-old with a degree from Fitchburg State who could say "Woah, don't do that! It's not worth the long-term risk!"

It is worth the long term risk. Either you don't get caught and can move faster, or you get caught and the penalty is usually small and a long way down the line, by which time your company will have either folded or grown enough to pay without difficulty.

That's the play when your adversary is regulation--the government moves slowly, court cases move even slower, and you can grease the wheels politically.

That is not the scenario here. Cursor is being hunted by an extremely motivated corporate competitor. Cursor has been leeching the gorilla's blood and the gorilla finally noticed. Microsoft doesn't (necessarily) need the law here. They have it if they need it, but they can kill Cursor without needing to sue them. The disastrous outcome isn't a penalty--it's a critical mass of users switching to Copilot because they can't use their Microsoft extensions in Cursor any more. Cutting off the extensions on the same day that their Cursor clone went live was effectively a declaration of war from Microsoft.

Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

#72

Do you guys ever feel tired of 'sounding the alarm'? I feel like I've been doing that for years on a wide range of topics, but every time it's like you're talking to cult members. How do you break through to people? People say things like "you're overthinking it", "that's never going to happen", "I don't care because I like using VSCode and not alternatives". Is it individualism? That they only consider their own nar…

Meh. If it does eventually go away, it wouldn't be the first time I've switched editors. Which turns out to not actually be all that hard to do.

> Is it individualism? That they only consider their own narrow short-term interests, and have become blind to collective problems?

What collective problem, that someone might have to unexpectedly burn a weekend writing a new editor? That {emacs|vim} isn't popular enough? That people might have to go install openjdk in order to start using eclipse?

Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

#73
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Eh MS wasn’t going to just let VSCode derivatives soak up all the AI gold rush money, these companies knew the risks. I wonder what it’s going to mean for projects like Zig, a migration of VSCode refugees could crank things up to 11 pretty quick.

How do VSCode refugees impact a project like Zig?

I would bet they meant the editor “Zed”.

Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

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FreeBSD must be pulling a very long con, then.

Uh, yes? Half of the initial mac os x kernel was ripped off freebsd, giving pretty much nothing back. Afaik netapp is also basing their system on bsd. Sony uses freebsd as the OS for their playstation. And many more, giving essentially nothing back.

Regarding apple: They support cups and clang, and stuff like swift and webkit. Also, the darwin kernel is open source.

I’d be shocked if netapp hard forked bsd and doesn’t upstream fixes.

Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

#75

Do you guys ever feel tired of 'sounding the alarm'? I feel like I've been doing that for years on a wide range of topics, but every time it's like you're talking to cult members. How do you break through to people? People say things like "you're overthinking it", "that's never going to happen", "I don't care because I like using VSCode and not alternatives". Is it individualism? That they only consider their own nar…

I just use the OSS vs code builds at home. (Work uses vscode).

Ever since I got remote mode working, I haven’t noticed any missing functionality I care about. (I also haven’t tried installing extensions for the pile of commercial services work uses, and that I wouldn’t pay for anyway.)

Edit: Since cursor now has near infinite VC money, perhaps they should fund a few open source devs to work on those forks. Why should they get a free ride?

Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

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The hilarious part is that old fart C++ programmers (like me) have been the ones most leery of VS Code. Microsoft’s gonna Microsoft, ‘specially with compilers.

What do you prefer to VSCode? Just started a job where I’ll be working in C++ and looking for alternatives

Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

#77

Do you guys ever feel tired of 'sounding the alarm'? I feel like I've been doing that for years on a wide range of topics, but every time it's like you're talking to cult members. How do you break through to people? People say things like "you're overthinking it", "that's never going to happen", "I don't care because I like using VSCode and not alternatives". Is it individualism? That they only consider their own nar…

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Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

#78

Do you guys ever feel tired of 'sounding the alarm'? I feel like I've been doing that for years on a wide range of topics, but every time it's like you're talking to cult members. How do you break through to people? People say things like "you're overthinking it", "that's never going to happen", "I don't care because I like using VSCode and not alternatives". Is it individualism? That they only consider their own nar…

That's what "word to the wise" means -- you can't tell most people __anything__.

The opening of Proverbs has:

1:5. Let the wise hear and increase in learning[...]

Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

#79

To be clear, I'm don't like the Microsoft has a proprietary Marketplace, but a company openly violating the terms of use for their own profit is a bit much in my opinion. > Cursor allegedly has been flouting Microsoft terms-of-service rules for some time now by setting up a reverse proxy to mask its network requests to the endpoints used by the Microsoft Visual Studio Marketplace. This allows Cursor users to install…

The Cursor founders (technically the company is called Anysphere, Inc) are all young MIT grads. What they needed is a 40-year-old with a degree from Fitchburg State who could say "Woah, don't do that! It's not worth the long-term risk!"

The amount of Boston in this comment is amazing. And 100% true

Re: Microsoft subtracts C/C++ extension from VS Code forks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah, that’s a painful situation.

Eh MS wasn’t going to just let VSCode derivatives soak up all the AI gold rush money, these companies knew the risks. I wonder what it’s going to mean for projects like Zig, a migration of VSCode refugees could crank things up to 11 pretty quick.

Zed don't have many extensions like VSCode.
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