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Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by acdha »

thoroughburro wrote: post #67
intrasight wrote: post #30

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From what I hear, most users disable notifications. You can do like Airbnb and send text messages. You can do Bluetooth in JavaScript through the Web Bluetooth API.

> From what I hear, most users disable notifications. Where’d you hear that? Surely most users don’t change defaults.

There isn’t a default on iOS, you’re prompted for each new app when it requests notification permissions. People have found that users hit no a lot more when the app prompts with no explanation than when it clearly explains what benefit it has to the user.

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by mhitza »

xvector wrote: post #39
pjc50 wrote: post #4

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The measures apply by size, not by country of origin. It happens that the companies over the threshold are American. So their statement is basically untrue, but that's politics these days.

Spotify conveniently falls outside of the scope of this law when any artist would tell you it should absolutely be covered. The DMA is gerrymandered to exclude domestic businesses. Whenever the EU faces budget shortfalls, they know they can just make up some bullshit law and fine US tech. > EU are basically enforcing market capitalism by disallowing monopolistic practices. Users are free to just not buy iOS devices.…

> Whenever the EU faces budget shortfalls, they know they can just make up some bullshit law and fine US tech.

If that would be the case, the EU could be drowning in money by being more aggressive with GDPR enforcement and follow-through.

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by nottorp »

xvector wrote: post #65
stavros wrote: post #58

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I'll be generous and assume you're being disingenuous by accident: This isn't about the ads, it's about the tracking. Meta is free to put ads wherever it wants, but it's not free to track people who don't want to be tracked. In the end, a population has the right to govern itself how it wants. There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with that - Meta is free to simply not operate in the EU.

Why shouldn't you allowed to track people across your own services if users consent? If they don't consent, they are free to simply not use your services. Problem solved. There is no actual need for this law. No rights are being infringed on. Just don't use the website.

> across your own services

What are Facebook's own services? Or Google's for that matter.

Neither tracks you just when you're on facebook.com or google.com. They track you everywhere.

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by rini17 »

thoroughburro wrote: post #67
intrasight wrote: post #30

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From what I hear, most users disable notifications. You can do like Airbnb and send text messages. You can do Bluetooth in JavaScript through the Web Bluetooth API.

> From what I hear, most users disable notifications. Where’d you hear that? Surely most users don’t change defaults.

Then the flood of notifications gets ignored, with practically the same result.

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by fidotron »

acdha wrote: post #66
fidotron wrote: post #62

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This is like arguing McDonalds has a monopoly over food sold in McDonalds outlets, when you have a choice to not go into McDonalds.

Except that there are hundreds of other food options while there are only two realistic options for smartphones, neither of which is cooking at home. The tight control has benefits - Apple’s App Store is much safer than letting your parents install stuff they find on the internet - but there’s a real downside which needs regulation to balance.

So we want to punish people that choose that option?

Europe could easily have had a homegrown alternative to the Play Store on Android. In fact at one time it had several, only the users had no interest at all, and this was before Google went through their phase of locking things down more.

The vision for what became the Play Store was born from ex GetJar, and I was told by several Googlers at the time that they were amazed by the lack of serious competing stores that people were running. Many threatened to do so (including my employer) but it was, from the business side, pure bluffing.

In China the android market does not rely on the Play Store, so we have definite proof it can be done.

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Post by nottorp »

xvector wrote: post #63
llm_nerd wrote: post #48

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I've worked at most FAANG companies, including Google, Apple, and Meta in the past (not currently). In my experience working at these companies and diving into the reported incidents/issues (e.g. Batterygate, Myanmar, Cambridge Analytica), I have found that comments like yours present an overly reductive worldview. You are likely entirely informed by ragebait news articles that grossly misrepresent the issues as oppo…

> would collapse millions of small businesses

How? And do they have the right to exist if their only income is targeted ads?

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by acdha »

popol12 wrote: post #26
intrasight wrote: post #16

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From what I hear, users are tired of installing apps. You can make a website and not face any gatekeepers or restrictions.

What if your app needs to send notifications and/or use bluetooth, for instance ?

All modern browsers support notifications:

https://caniuse.com/notifications

Bluetooth is limited to Chrome because Apple and Mozilla were concerned about privacy and security:

https://caniuse.com/web-bluetooth

Re: Apple and Meta fined millions for breaching EU law

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Post by Fraterkes »

xvector wrote: post #65
stavros wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll be generous and assume you're being disingenuous by accident: This isn't about the ads, it's about the tracking. Meta is free to put ads wherever it wants, but it's not free to track people who don't want to be tracked. In the end, a population has the right to govern itself how it wants. There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with that - Meta is free to simply not operate in the EU.

Why shouldn't you allowed to track people across your own services if users consent? If they don't consent, they are free to simply not use your services. Problem solved. There is no actual need for this law. No rights are being infringed on. Just don't use the website.

Why doesnt this same logic apply to meta? They don't have to comply with this law if they don't want to, its their choice to operate in the EU
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