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The Joy of Linux Theming in the Age of Bootable Containers

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Re: The Joy of Linux Theming in the Age of Bootable Containers

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Post by sohrob »

For me, the bootc project is one of the most exciting things happening in Linux right now. It would be nice if projects like Debian adopt it as one possible delivery format for those who prefer the atomic containerized workflow way of doing things. There is so much to be gained from a stability standpoint vs how things are done now.

Side note: Judging by what I see on Reddit, the ability to theme a desktop is one of the top reasons someone develops a personal interest in Linux to begin with, so no need to justify that in my book.

Re: The Joy of Linux Theming in the Age of Bootable Containers

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Post by WD-42 »

shmerl wrote: post #52
WD-42 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Gnome/gtk folks have been systematically removing theming capabilities for the last decade+ in the pursuit of an Apple-like philosophy towards ui. This has really killed a lot of theming because so many apps use GTK.

KDE is more popular DE than Gnome these days and it's pretty flexible for theming.

I highly doubt this. KDE users are far more vocal. Most people install Ubuntu (which is GNOME by default) use it and are happy with it and never comment about it on the internet.

It's near impossible to have a Linux GUI environment without GTK applications, while the opposite is not true for QT. I have a full desktop setup with GNOME and my machine doesn't even have the QT libraries installed.

Re: The Joy of Linux Theming in the Age of Bootable Containers

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Post by kayson »

jcastro wrote: post #42
kayson wrote: post #13

I really like the idea of immutable Linux and bootable containers. My next project will probably be switching to bazzite. But I took a look at the Containerfile[1], and I have some big concerns about the fragility of their supply chain. It uses 20 different copr repos (granted, half are their own), and I didn't count how many packages. Best I can tell, none of the versions are pinned. They do dump a diff of all packa…

> It uses 20 different copr repos (granted, half are their own), and I didn't count how many packages. Best I can tell, none of the versions are pinned. Contributor here, we've been working on this diligently over the past cycle (the rest of the org is mostly done, Bazzite is largest so we're only getting to it now). We're hoping to be done over the summer with published SBOMs and all that good stuff.

That's good to hear; I'm definitely a fan of SBOMs. But it doesn't fully address the risk introduced with automatic selection of the latest package version. If a package has no dependencies, for example, the SBOM wouldn't change if it were compromised with something that's compiled in to the package...

Re: The Joy of Linux Theming in the Age of Bootable Containers

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Post by Firehawke »

concerndc1tizen wrote: post #63
gigel82 wrote: post #48

Off topic, but this website burned my eyes and I could almost hear my OLED crying. One of the rare examples where "Dark Reader" not only failed but actually made it more light; there must be some funky CSS shenanigans going on.

That's more a you-problem (Dark Reader) than a website-problem?

Hard disagree. Accessibility matters, and some of us are photosensitive to large amounts of bright white. Design your CSS to not completely break with a forced dark theme and this won't be a problem.

Re: The Joy of Linux Theming in the Age of Bootable Containers

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Post by shmerl »

WD-42 wrote: post #72
shmerl wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KDE is more popular DE than Gnome these days and it's pretty flexible for theming.

I highly doubt this. KDE users are far more vocal. Most people install Ubuntu (which is GNOME by default) use it and are happy with it and never comment about it on the internet. It's near impossible to have a Linux GUI environment without GTK applications, while the opposite is not true for QT. I have a full desktop setup with GNOME and my machine doesn't even have the QT libraries installed.

Some trends and stats on sites that collect info on DE usage indicate that:

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/index.php?module=statistics&vi...

It's totally expected for me, KDE is just better if you want any kind of customization.

It also comes preinstalled on Steam Deck for instance.

From some of the big GTK applications I use are Firefox and Gimp. That's about it, most of everything else is using Qt or is in the process of switching to Qt in my experience (like Audacity).

And from the above, Firefox isn't really using GTK due to some integration with Gnome, they just didn't want to write their own Wayland handling bits. It works on KDE all the same.

Re: The Joy of Linux Theming in the Age of Bootable Containers

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Post by concerndc1tizen »

Firehawke wrote: post #74
concerndc1tizen wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's more a you-problem (Dark Reader) than a website-problem?

Hard disagree. Accessibility matters, and some of us are photosensitive to large amounts of bright white. Design your CSS to not completely break with a forced dark theme and this won't be a problem.

It matters to you. Why are you projecting your needs onto others?

Perhaps there's a nicer way to say it? "If the author so pleases, he may consider improving accessibility by making it compatible with Dark Reader."

Then it is phrased as a request, rather than a complaint or critique.

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