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Savater has not experienced socialism, Spain has never been socialist, Savater has been always someone in great need of attention and joins anyone who gives him that. And the Spain's fascism has give him that. I've seen it since He was teaching in University In San Sebastian and was easier to find him in certain bars and in the horse races than at his work.

> Spain has never been socialist This seems like a no true scotsman argument, Spain has been mostly governed by a socialist party since it became a democracy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Socialist_Workers%27_P...

Despite the name and its history, today they are just the Spanish socialdemocrats, from that same link:

> Historically Marxist, it abandoned the ideology in 1979

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Where were they from? As a South American I'm having difficult figuring out which country is socialist in this continent. Venezuela?

Most (all?) the terrorist groups of Latin America were self-declared marxist/communist, like "Shining Part" in Peru: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shining_Path

Except the most pervasive and deadliest terrorist groups in the history of South America have been the government, in the form of right-wing military dictatorships, often preaching about free market and being backed by the USA. People just forget to refer to them as such.

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Savater has not experienced socialism, Spain has never been socialist, Savater has been always someone in great need of attention and joins anyone who gives him that. And the Spain's fascism has give him that. I've seen it since He was teaching in University In San Sebastian and was easier to find him in certain bars and in the horse races than at his work.

> Spain has never been socialist This seems like a no true scotsman argument, Spain has been mostly governed by a socialist party since it became a democracy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Socialist_Workers%27_P...

And you probably think that North Korea is a Democratic Republic too causes it's says so. Look at what they do not at what the say.

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post #56

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Most (all?) the terrorist groups of Latin America were self-declared marxist/communist, like "Shining Part" in Peru: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shining_Path

Except the most pervasive and deadliest terrorist groups in the history of South America have been the government, in the form of right-wing military dictatorships, often preaching about free market and being backed by the USA. People just forget to refer to them as such.

Argentina's military rulers were not free marketeers. Far from it. They were brutal though.

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Many prominent figures in Latin America and Spain turned away from socialist and communist positions after experiencing their effects: Guillermo Cabrera Infante, Octavio Paz (also Nobel Prize), Fernando Savater, Jorge Edwards, Jorge Luis Borges, Teodoro Petkoff...

Savater has not experienced socialism, Spain has never been socialist, Savater has been always someone in great need of attention and joins anyone who gives him that. And the Spain's fascism has give him that. I've seen it since He was teaching in University In San Sebastian and was easier to find him in certain bars and in the horse races than at his work.

They did kill nuns though.

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Except the most pervasive and deadliest terrorist groups in the history of South America have been the government, in the form of right-wing military dictatorships, often preaching about free market and being backed by the USA. People just forget to refer to them as such.

Argentina's military rulers were not free marketeers. Far from it. They were brutal though.

Is there anyone who both understands what the term free market term entails and still argues for it? Somehow no proponent of free markets has managed both success and influence
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