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Whistleblower tells senators that Meta undermined U.S. security, interests

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What does that have to do with the topic at hand? Nearly every CEO at a company making physical products from 1990 onward owes much of their net worth to Chinese factories.

I think Musk got one of the biggest concessions ever without any precedent, something like 100% ownership where no other car plant ever got that before.

And Ukraine got the minsk agreements, the 1990 "assurances" of independence , concessions and contracts by countries without legal system and kinglike rulers are worthless. So he had a extraordinary piece of paper? So what..

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> Freedom and personal liberty actually are ideologies. Feyerabend in particular would likely differ, and say instead that freedom and liberty are what emerge when mature adults democratically order their societies, irrespective (or in spite) of any ideologies used to bind them

Yes Paul Feyerabend, a philosopher of science, argued that true freedom and liberty arise when individuals actively and democratically shape their societies, free from the dominance of any single ideology, including science. He contended that science, often regarded as the ultimate path to knowledge, is merely one of many traditions and should not hold a privileged position in society. Feyerabend advocated for a “dem…

> He contended that science, often regarded as the ultimate path to knowledge, is merely one of many traditions and should not hold a privileged position in society.

He's plain wrong about that part. Science isn't another tradition, it's a way of putting the world to the test to figure out how things work. It's absurd and dangerous to maintain Feyerabend's view in the midst of a pandemic or climate change, for example, which we've seen with the alternate facts and conspiracy theories.

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A whistleblower is not required to determine that Meta, and all adtech companies, have been severely damaging not just to the US, but to all governments and societies where these platforms are used. They don't need to collude with any adversarial government for this to be true.

The same tools built to manipulate people into buying things, are used to manipulate them into thinking and acting in ways that could be beneficial to someone. Advertising and propaganda use the same tactics, after all. When these tools are accessible to anyone, including political adversaries, it would be naive to think that they're not being used for information warfare.

The Cambridge Analytica leak was just the tip of the iceberg. These companies and agencies are still operating at a global scale, and business is booming. Why adtech companies weren't heavily investigated and regulated after this became public is beyond me. These are matters of national security, which anyone sane would consider more important than any financial or practical value they might have.

Banning TikTok was a step in the right direction, but that's far from the only service that needs to be heavily regulated. And even that decision is flip-flopped and very controversial, so the idea of going beyond must be unthinkable. Yet not doing so will lead to the eventual downfall of the US, and the current western hegemony. The instability we're seeing now is just the beginning, and my only hope is that it doesn't escalate to a major global conflict.

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I think Musk got one of the biggest concessions ever without any precedent, something like 100% ownership where no other car plant ever got that before.

I don't think that anyone could have predicted one year ago where Elon Musk would be today. I think the same is true of next year. That man is full of surprises.

I predict he's not gonna be on Mars.

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A whistleblower is not required to determine that Meta, and all adtech companies, have been severely damaging not just to the US, but to all governments and societies where these platforms are used. They don't need to collude with any adversarial government for this to be true. The same tools built to manipulate people into buying things, are used to manipulate them into thinking and acting in ways that could be bene…

Honestly, it's crazy that any country allows online media to control the national discourse about politics without having any insight into how the algorithms decide what kind of content is shown to whom and how content is moderated or controlled. Then there's bot/propaganda accounts run by who knows who poisoning any political discussion.

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If you're a director of global public policy for seven years, who are you really whistleblowing, the company, or yourself? I appreciate the information coming out, but in some of these situations I can't help but picture that "the worst person in the room" in regards to the offenses might also end up being the person that then becomes the most holier than thou when they get out of the company. If you ever met someone…

I get your point, but also, so what? The point of this whistle-blowing is that the public gets to make informed decisions about these companies that provide us with services that much of us use daily, and that the government gets a chance to figure out whether this is the truth or not and take actions accordingly. It's not about who is guilty right now but what needs to be done to prevent this in the future, IMO.

And whatever she might be guilty of doing, the chances of her ever having the same access to sensitive information in any company has gone drastically down after coming forward with this information.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_publ...

Is that's what's happening here? The bit about suing her "even if the statements she is making are true" makes me think they're not trying to sue her via defamation, but through non-disparagement agreements. If that's the case, I'd hesitate to characterize this as SLAPP. If you voluntarily entered into a non-disparagement agreement and got something in exchange (eg. in exchange for severance or whatever), then at the…

For such reasons, I count non-disparagement agreements as a curtailing of free speech.

Everything that makes freedom of speech worth defending when the government wants your silence, also applies to businesses.

The US puts freedom of speech on a pedestal. But stuff like this makes me aware that's a lot more limited than people would like to believe.

(I've signed at least two non-disparagement agreements, but also I'm not in the US).

Re: Whistleblower tells senators that Meta undermined U.S. security, interests

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All I see in this story are a bunch of things that were under discussion at some point, but never happened.

But then, “Meta considered doing business in China, evaluated and negotiated with the Chinese government what would be required to do so, and then did not proceed” isn’t a story that is going to sell a lot of books or get her a lot of attention.

Another tell that this is a stunt for attention and not a genuine issue is her trying to blame China’s progress in AI on Meta’s release of an open-source model.

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A whistleblower is not required to determine that Meta, and all adtech companies, have been severely damaging not just to the US, but to all governments and societies where these platforms are used. They don't need to collude with any adversarial government for this to be true. The same tools built to manipulate people into buying things, are used to manipulate them into thinking and acting in ways that could be bene…

Honestly, it's crazy that any country allows online media to control the national discourse about politics without having any insight into how the algorithms decide what kind of content is shown to whom and how content is moderated or controlled. Then there's bot/propaganda accounts run by who knows who poisoning any political discussion.

"To save the public from propaganda, we must implement national controls on all political media dissemination"

Re: Whistleblower tells senators that Meta undermined U.S. security, interests

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, it's crazy that any country allows online media to control the national discourse about politics without having any insight into how the algorithms decide what kind of content is shown to whom and how content is moderated or controlled. Then there's bot/propaganda accounts run by who knows who poisoning any political discussion.

"To save the public from propaganda, we must implement national controls on all political media dissemination"

More like "let's not have national controls on political media dissemination in the hands of large corporations and hidden from view"
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