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Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by totallynothoney »

piokoch wrote: post #33
Roritharr wrote: post #9

What Kagi or anyone could work on, is an actually working version of YouTube Kids. I literally Pi-Hole Blocked all of YouTube after my son started reading the Bible after a Minecraft Influencer started preaching throughout most of his videos to the point my son became a bit too much interested in the topic. Not that I'm a rabid atheist or would deny my child such a thing, but if THAT can enter my 8yr olds brain via h…

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Well, one might quite reasonably think a Minecraft youtuber isn't the best person to teach their child about the Bible, even if someone is Christian. Even considering that, how appropriate a religious text totally depends on the parents. I think GP would be questioned less if it was Qur'an quotes on Minecraft videos and he subsequently blocked Youtube.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by carlosjobim »

tombert wrote: post #51
piokoch wrote: post #33

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There are parts of the Bible where a prostitute is mutilated, butchered, and shipped to her rapists [1], parts where a woman fantasizes about men with donkey dicks and horse cum [2], parts where a father is seduced by and impregnates his daughters [3], children being murdered for making fun of a bald guy [4], and many, many more things that I don't think would be appropriate for a small child. It's fine if you believ…

A lot of the Bible is tales of what incredibly evil people do, not an endorsement of those actions. A lot of the tales is also sins and mistakes normal people make, because they aren't saints. You need to have a certain level of maturity to be able to read and understand the Bible and other ancient books. If you don't have that, it's like believing that the TV news is endorsing serial killers, wars, and natural disasters, because they are reporting on them. You can find the truth of human evil told repeatedly in the Bible, it's not a fairy tale, so you should forget about that perspective.

The Bible is absolutely not suitable for children, except for choice parts. Those people who thought it was a good idea to teach the Bible to small children did a great disservice to those people and to religion. It's a hard core book for adolescents and above.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by bombcar »

totallynothoney wrote: post #71
piokoch wrote: post #33

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Well, one might quite reasonably think a Minecraft youtuber isn't the best person to teach their child about the Bible, even if someone is Christian. Even considering that, how appropriate a religious text totally depends on the parents. I think GP would be questioned less if it was Qur'an quotes on Minecraft videos and he subsequently blocked Youtube.

Minecraft Bible is modernism!

Classical traditionalists, of course, use LEGO Bible.

https://thebrickbible.com/legacy/

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

themaninthedark wrote: post #60
cwkoss wrote: post #49

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No single book has incited more violence throughout history

I don't know, there are books by an Austrian and a German both of which have sparked a large number of deaths. More to the point though; when the violence is occurring the author's work is used as a justification. If not their work, someone else's would do.

> when the violence is occurring the author's work is used as a justification. If not their work, someone else's would do

This statement falls on its face with any examination. You're implying the Bible is on the same level as, say, Catcher in the Rye. As in, a book that was used as an excuse to kill by an already deranged outlier.

The Bible was explicit law in the history of many countries. Non-practitioners were considered second class citizens. Entire economies were thrown into crusades to rape and pillage people specifically in the name of Christ. Generations of children were indoctrinated into believing this was okay. It's not remotely accurate to say "well if it wasn't this, it would be something else." This is a system, not an accident.

I have conversations to this day with relatives that the crusades were completely okay because it was in the name of God. This is not ancient history, this is what religion does. It's just uncomfortable to say out loud because then we'd be admitting that Christians are, mostly, okay with dehumanizing everyone else.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by jordanmorgan10 »

phobotics wrote: post #41
Roritharr wrote: post #9

What Kagi or anyone could work on, is an actually working version of YouTube Kids. I literally Pi-Hole Blocked all of YouTube after my son started reading the Bible after a Minecraft Influencer started preaching throughout most of his videos to the point my son became a bit too much interested in the topic. Not that I'm a rabid atheist or would deny my child such a thing, but if THAT can enter my 8yr olds brain via h…

I think DudePerfect have an app that is essentially this. Heavily curated kid friendly content. It might only be paid though.

Yup - our kids use it and it’s the only “YouTube” kinda thing that’s worked for our family.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by bombcar »

skydhash wrote: post #15
Roritharr wrote: post #9

What Kagi or anyone could work on, is an actually working version of YouTube Kids. I literally Pi-Hole Blocked all of YouTube after my son started reading the Bible after a Minecraft Influencer started preaching throughout most of his videos to the point my son became a bit too much interested in the topic. Not that I'm a rabid atheist or would deny my child such a thing, but if THAT can enter my 8yr olds brain via h…

Why not curate a video repository? I think novelty is actually overrated and even harmful for kid. Deeper exploration on familiar subject may be beneficial as that would let his/her imagination to take on the job of inventing new things.

Jellyfin + ytdlp + playlists = pretty good, in general. and avoids ads; the ads are worse than almost anything else you can find.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by totallynothoney »

dingnuts wrote: post #57
daemoens wrote: post #40

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Read the rest of his comment > Not that I'm a rabid atheist or would deny my child such a thing, but if THAT can enter my 8yr olds brain via his short allowed time where he can browse by himself, i'm worried what else is coming his way through it.

it's completely unsurprising that a child raised with no spiritual grounding would be interested in a book that teaches how to live and attempts to answer the questions that rationalists and atheists have nothing satisfying to say about. How does one live a good life? Every religion tries to answer that question. Has the GP sufficiently replaced religion with something else to help their child answer that question? O…

The secularists don't have satisfying answers to the questions about life? What's next? Without god everyone would rape and pillage?

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by tombert »

carlosjobim wrote: post #72
tombert wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are parts of the Bible where a prostitute is mutilated, butchered, and shipped to her rapists [1], parts where a woman fantasizes about men with donkey dicks and horse cum [2], parts where a father is seduced by and impregnates his daughters [3], children being murdered for making fun of a bald guy [4], and many, many more things that I don't think would be appropriate for a small child. It's fine if you believ…

A lot of the Bible is tales of what incredibly evil people do, not an endorsement of those actions. A lot of the tales is also sins and mistakes normal people make, because they aren't saints. You need to have a certain level of maturity to be able to read and understand the Bible and other ancient books. If you don't have that, it's like believing that the TV news is endorsing serial killers, wars, and natural disas…

> A lot of the Bible is tales of what incredibly evil people do, not an endorsement of those actions.

Mostly agree, though not completely. There are actions that are kind of deemed "moral" that I don't think are good, e.g. Abraham being super willing to murder his son to make God happy. Or Moses killing all the first-born children of Egypt with the Angel of Death. That's pretty evil, and Abraham and Moses are kind of the "heroes" of those stories.

I agree that there is wisdom to be found in there, and that it requires a level of maturity and literary understanding to parse that sometimes. It's a book written over the course of several hundred (thousands?) of years with hundreds of stories, it's not weird to think that there would be some good stuff in there.

> The Bible is absolutely not suitable for children, except for choice parts.

Yeah, I agree with that. The "do unto others" stuff is perfectly fine to teach to small children, and even stuff with slightly more nebulous but ultimately clever themes like the Prodigal Son are fine. I think I'd save the stuff about murdering and mutilating concubines until you're comfortable with them watching R-rated movies.

That's not a dig in itself, though. My favorite movie of all time is Ghost in the Shell (1995). It's got lots of wisdom and cleverness and to me it's nearly perfect, but if I had kids I don't think I'd let them watch it until they were 13 or 14, even though I don't think that the themes in it are harmful or endorsing bad behavior.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by tombert »

graemep wrote: post #66
themaninthedark wrote: post #56

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It was not that the kid was reading the bible that scared the parent but that they took a sudden deep(obsessive?) interest in something after only being exposed to it on Youtube. I have kids and I too would be concerned if they suddenly took interest in a topic. Not that long ago two twelve year old girls murdered their friend because "Slenderman". Religious topics can lead to radicalization and/or cults.

An interest in something that has ha a huge and pervasive influence. Even if you are an atheist who would never reed it, if you are from a historicist Christian culture it has shaped your worldview.This is very well argued in Dominion by Tom Holland.

I'm an atheist who has read large parts of the Bible, not even to understand history, but to simply try to understand the (ostensible) motivations of current leaders and constituents in politics today.

I haven't read all of it, a lot of the Bible is a pretty dry read, but I have read most of it, and it has been at least a little illuminating to see what people will use for justification of stuff.

Re: Kagi for Kids

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Post by mattmanser »

jordanmorgan10 wrote: post #75
phobotics wrote: post #41

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I think DudePerfect have an app that is essentially this. Heavily curated kid friendly content. It might only be paid though.

Yup - our kids use it and it’s the only “YouTube” kinda thing that’s worked for our family.

I had a look, and it seemed to be just their content? I thought the GP meant an app with a range of content.
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