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Domino's?
US-based Pizza restaurant
I know what it is. They were asking who was harmed.
France fines Apple €150M for “excessive” pop-ups that let users reject tracking
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Re: France fines Apple €150M for “excessive” pop-ups that let users reject tracking
#72Actually Apple were fined because they don't apply the same standard to their own pop-ups that allow users to reject tracking. On Apple popups you seem to need one click, while on 3rd party popups you need to confirm twice. So the fine seems to be for treating 3rd parties differently from their own stuff. They could make their own popups require double confirmation instead...
I'm actually okay with the Apple Camera app asking me once and the Domino's Pizza app having to ask me twice. Who are the consumers being harmed here?
You might be ok with it, but the regulators want Apple to treat third parties the same way they treat their own apps, and that's a good thing. Either everyone would generate two prompts, or no one, but excluding yourself is just favoritism.
Re: France fines Apple €150M for “excessive” pop-ups that let users reject tracking
#73Re: France fines Apple €150M for “excessive” pop-ups that let users reject tracking
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Probably it will. Vance even threatened to leave NATO if the EU regulates X. But EU countries are not satellite states of the US. At some point we just have to draw a line in the sand and stand by our own values, even if it comes at an expense. It's not as if tariffs and the retaliatory tariffs it will lead to is good for the US economy either. It's all just silly.
a lot of european nations are also discussing on how to create more inhouse and become digitally sovereign from US tech firms. (the dutch government for instance[0]) 5 or even 10 years ago this would have been unthinkable in dutch politics, even if this has been called out a lot as a risk in tech circles. [0] https://www.dutchitchannel.nl/news/602753/tweede-kamer-neemt...
Europe has been pushing this politically for over a decade now.... It's just every European initiative to fix it has failed.
Re: France fines Apple €150M for “excessive” pop-ups that let users reject tracking
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I'm actually okay with the Apple Camera app asking me once and the Domino's Pizza app having to ask me twice. Who are the consumers being harmed here?
It doesn't really matter if you are "fine" with their anti-conpetitive behavior. They should comply to regulations properly.
That is borderline tautological. Apple should comply with the regulations, because they are the regulations. The regulations are there to protect users, a 3rd party application is more likely to harm the user, so less trust is warranted.
Re: France fines Apple €150M for “excessive” pop-ups that let users reject tracking
#76This is such a bizarre move from Apple honestly. They're acting like they're letting users make a choice when realistically all users are going to choose not to get tracked. It's like a "do you want to install malware?" button. They just did it for the lulz and to hurt the finances of companies they don't like.
Re: France fines Apple €150M for “excessive” pop-ups that let users reject tracking
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> I'm not sure this is fixable? Not from Apple's end. Apple mandates that all requests for permissions go through a single, OS-provided dialog. If a user accepts, the permission is granted; if the user rejects, the permission is not granted, and the app can't ask again. Simple enough. App developers try to maximize their chances of getting that permission granted by adding another warm-up dialog before actually doing…
It's part of acceptable use by Apple [1], with guidelines how to show the first popup. [1] https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guideline...
It's considered acceptable within bounds (i.e. no tricking the user into tapping "accept"), but not required. At least, not by Apple.
Re: France fines Apple €150M for “excessive” pop-ups that let users reject tracking
#78Actually Apple were fined because they don't apply the same standard to their own pop-ups that allow users to reject tracking. On Apple popups you seem to need one click, while on 3rd party popups you need to confirm twice. So the fine seems to be for treating 3rd parties differently from their own stuff. They could make their own popups require double confirmation instead...
I'm genuinely confused. Where's the double part? When I install an app I get a single popup asking whether I want to share with advertisers or not. I don't have to do anything twice. Is it different in Europe or something? Is there a second popup there, and if so, what?
This is for system-level permissions. In third-party apps, the app asks whether you want to enable X permission and then you get an OS-level confirmation request. It's not just in Europe.
Likely they'll fall back in Europe to double-prompting as well in system apps.
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It doesn't really matter if you are "fine" with their anti-conpetitive behavior. They should comply to regulations properly.
That is borderline tautological. Apple should comply with the regulations, because they are the regulations. The regulations are there to protect users, a 3rd party application is more likely to harm the user, so less trust is warranted.
There is no Apple country, at least not yet.