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Can Earth's rotation generate power? Physicists divided over controversial claim

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Re: Can Earth's rotation generate power? Physicists divided over controversial claim

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Imagine a massive planet spinning in empty vacuum. Can the inhabitants slow down their planet, and generate electricity?

I suspect that they can generate electricity with angular momentum with it, that can be only used to do work with the equivalent angular momentum.

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Suggest a hard sci-fi story where humans abuse this so much the Earth basically stops rotating.

I've already read one where some weird alien ants hollow out the earth to make it spin faster, and take advantage of the increase in speed to generate power somehow (maybe by building a geostationary conductive belt around the planet, that acts as the "stator"?)

Re: Can Earth's rotation generate power? Physicists divided over controversial claim

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying that is why we left Mars.

Yeah, after making an oopsie with a runaway greenhouse effect in Venus. All this has happened before and it will happen again.

Ah yes, the Battlestar Galactica theory of life's origins on earth

Re: Can Earth's rotation generate power? Physicists divided over controversial claim

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The earths rotation creates it. Or was this rhetorical.

No, it was a serious question. Does anything that rotates create a magnetic field even if it is not an electrical material?

No, otherwise Mars would have a magnetic field just like Earth.

Re: Can Earth's rotation generate power? Physicists divided over controversial claim

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There was a decent science fiction serris based on this premise: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/700919.Signal_to_Noise https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/737628.A_Signal_Shattere...

Eric Nylund's books are uniformly excellent, even (perhaps surprisingly) the Halo tie-ins

Re: Can Earth's rotation generate power? Physicists divided over controversial claim

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Wouldn't this eventually slow down Earth's rotation? The rotational kinetic energy of our planet is 1/5 M * R^2 * w^2 with (approximately) M = 6e34 kg, R = 6.3e6m, w = 7.4e-5 rad/s, which gives approximately 5e36 joules. Yearly we need roughly 3e16 Wh. Yeah ok there's plenty. Woah! (also, I may be off by some orders of magnitude)

Doesn’t driving west to east on a highway slow down the Earth’s rotation, via the power transferred into the ground?

Reminds me of a glorious question from undergraduate physics:

Calculate the change in the length of the Earth's day if the UK were to switch to vehicles driving on the right-hand side of the road rather than the left..

Re: Can Earth's rotation generate power? Physicists divided over controversial claim

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It's incredible the lengths humanity is willing to go to avoid adopting nuclear energy - despite the US navy driving mobile reactors millions of miles over the last 70 years.

Solve the waste problem and you solve nuclear. Waste is still the giant elephant in the room and a lot of people have a fifth grade solution to the problem (we will bury it under ground! We will fly it to the sun! We will resuse it until it is no longer radioactive!) I used to have a neighbor who worked for the DOE, all of the viable solutions are blocked by people who don’t want it in their backyard. Can’t really mo…

Burying the waste is an excellent solution. We are currently dealing with the much more dangerous problem of hydrocarbon combustion waste by releasing it into the atmosphere.

Re: Can Earth's rotation generate power? Physicists divided over controversial claim

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I wonder how many wats of power we would be able to generate before earth slows down for i.e. 1 second longer day.

That's easy to work out but I can tell you not it's going to be more than we will ever use.

Typical human response

Re: Can Earth's rotation generate power? Physicists divided over controversial claim

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post #25

Wouldn't this eventually slow down Earth's rotation? The rotational kinetic energy of our planet is 1/5 M * R^2 * w^2 with (approximately) M = 6e34 kg, R = 6.3e6m, w = 7.4e-5 rad/s, which gives approximately 5e36 joules. Yearly we need roughly 3e16 Wh. Yeah ok there's plenty. Woah! (also, I may be off by some orders of magnitude)

This is addressed in the last paragraph of the article: > Even if it works, the method will not generate energy from thin air. It would tap Earth’s kinetic energy and, in doing so, cause the planet’s spinning to slow over time — although only slightly. If the technique provided all of Earth’s electricity needs, which was around 11 trillion watts in 2022, this would slow the planet’s spin by 7 milliseconds over the ne…

> which was around 11 trillion watts in 2022, this would slow the planet’s spin by 7 milliseconds over the next century, the authors calculate.

Really puts how small we are on a cosmic scale into perspective.

If we did it for a million years at current energy use scale it would shorten our day by about 1.1 seconds.

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