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Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by spudlyo »

simondotau wrote: post #57
spudlyo wrote: post #32

I'm done with macOS, I've migrated to Linux for my general purpose computing. With every new release of macOS, Gatekeeper is becoming harder and harder to bypass, increasing Apple's control over what software can be run on macOS, forcing apps to be signed with an Apple Developer ID. While I'm happy they are taking security seriously, I'm seriously creeped out that macOS sends hashes of every executable I run to their…

I understand and appreciate the sentiment, but I see the intent very differently. Apple is not employing a frog boiling strategy, but rather being responsive to an increasingly sophisticated adversary. It’s like criticism of the quality of Google search dropping. It has absolutely tanked, but it’s not because the algorithm is worse, it’s because the internet has grown orders of magnitude and most of it uses the same…

> being responsive to an increasingly sophisticated adversary

"Those who refuse to give up essential Liberty to purchase temporary Safety deserve to have to deal with the GNOME desktop user experience."

I miss macOS sometimes.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by przemub »

AHTERIX5000 wrote: post #21
rcarmo wrote: post #10

There are some factual "gaps" there about how good Snow Leopard was, but I understand the sentiment. As someone who's been a Mac user since System 6 and has been consistently using Macs alongside PCs _daily_ for over 20 years I can say that Apple's software quality (either in terms of polish or just plain QA) has steadily decreased. It's just that me and other old-time switchers have stopped complaining about it and…

Spotlight straight up broke on both of my Macs after Sequoia. It can't even find exact matches in many directories marked for indexing and re-indexing did nothing. Just searching for apps under Applications doesn't seem to find all apps.

I’ve had so many issues with it as well! To the absurd level where I could not search for settings in the Settings app… People all over the net have had all kinds of issues and there’s never been any help other than „oh go and reindex”.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by mistyvales »

parkcedar wrote: post #17

Another example was High Sierra. They completely swapped out the file system on that release, focusing primarily on under-the-hood changes, and imo was also one of the most stable macOS releases to date.

I was thinking of that the other day. I think I stayed on High Sierra as long as I could.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by dontblink »

basisword wrote: post #30
themagician wrote: post #18

This is an interesting idea, and I am actually curious what Apple is going to do going forward. A "Snow Leopard"-esque release would be nice, but I think what would be better is an LTS release. Historically, you get a new Mac and you usually only get 5-6 years before they drop your model from the latest release. This has always made some sense to me, as after 4-6 years, you do start to feel it. I bought an M1 Max tha…

I don't feel like they ever used forced obsolescence with Mac's. When they dropped support for the latest OS on your machine it was usually because it couldn't run it. I recently updated some older Mac's and even a couple of OS's before support was dropped things got really sluggish. I imagine with the Apple Silicon machines the OS support will stretch longer than it has on the Intel ones. Maybe the higher prices are…

Opencore legacy patcher would be to differ.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by ohgr »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #20

> I am not suggesting Apple has fallen behind Windows or Android. Changing a setting on Windows 11 can often involve a journey through three or four different interface designs, artifacts of half-implemented changes dating back to the last century. Whenever I find myself stuck outside of Appleland, I am eager to return “home,” flaws and all. Hard agree with this. I sometimes have to boot up a windows laptop to play M…

It's fine if you stay away from the consumer releases. Windows 11 LTSC (based on 24H2) feels like windows 7. Most of the stuff you had to futz with powertoys and GPOs back then. That hasn't changed. I quite like it. It has been utterly boring compared to my recent Apple experiences.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by _0xdd »

thewebguyd wrote: post #38
rcarmo wrote: post #10

There are some factual "gaps" there about how good Snow Leopard was, but I understand the sentiment. As someone who's been a Mac user since System 6 and has been consistently using Macs alongside PCs _daily_ for over 20 years I can say that Apple's software quality (either in terms of polish or just plain QA) has steadily decreased. It's just that me and other old-time switchers have stopped complaining about it and…

> Most of the other examples in the article also apply, but to be honest I've been using GNOME in parallel for years now and I consider it to be my "forever desktop" if PC hardware can ever match Apple Silicon (or, most likely, if I want something that is _just a computer_). I'm there as well. I've been really enjoying desktop Linux lately, but I can't go back to a non-Apple laptop at this point. There's just nothing…

This really is exactly how I feel. There are too many tradeoffs to switch to non-Apple hardware at this point. I'd love to run Linux/BSD full-time, as many of the apps that I frequently use on my Mac are FOSS (e.g., R, PyCharm, darktable, etc.) I've been a Mac user since 2002, and Mac OS X served as my gateway to the Linux/BSD world (that, and a short-lived use of RH 6.2 on an old Dell laptop). IMO, macOS really does need a Tiger/Snow Leopard-esque release, but I'm not sure the vast majority of macOS users would even appreciate such a release.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by adriand »

przemub wrote: post #72
AHTERIX5000 wrote: post #21

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Spotlight straight up broke on both of my Macs after Sequoia. It can't even find exact matches in many directories marked for indexing and re-indexing did nothing. Just searching for apps under Applications doesn't seem to find all apps.

I’ve had so many issues with it as well! To the absurd level where I could not search for settings in the Settings app… People all over the net have had all kinds of issues and there’s never been any help other than „oh go and reindex”.

Just yesterday I was trying to find a file in Finder, using the search, and it could not find it even though I was just one directory up from the directory it was sitting in. It made no sense to me at all. Reading these stories, it’s clicking for me.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by ohgr »

rcarmo wrote: post #10

There are some factual "gaps" there about how good Snow Leopard was, but I understand the sentiment. As someone who's been a Mac user since System 6 and has been consistently using Macs alongside PCs _daily_ for over 20 years I can say that Apple's software quality (either in terms of polish or just plain QA) has steadily decreased. It's just that me and other old-time switchers have stopped complaining about it and…

Yeah I stopped using spotlight a few years ago. I didn't really notice that I stopped using it until recently. It just became useless. I reorganised my stuff carefully so I know where I put it. I think that turned out to be more powerful than hoping a search engine over the top would be able to sift through the nuances.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by lapcat »

grandempire wrote: post #69
lapcat wrote: post #23

See my blog post "The myth and reality of Mac OS X Snow Leopard": https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/2023/11/5.html TL;DR What people remember fondly is not Mac OS X 10.6.0, which was in fact very buggy, and buggier than 10.5.8, but rather later versions of Snow Leopard after almost 2 full years of bug fixes. See also "Snow Leopard bug deletes all user data": https://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyle/snow-leopard-bu…

> later versions of Snow Leopard after almost 2 full years of bug fixes. This is what’s being asked for in the article.

I disagree. From the article: "The same year Apple launched the iPhone, it unveiled a massive upgrade to Mac OS X known as Leopard, sporting “300 New Features.” Two years later, it did something almost unheard of: it released Snow Leopard, an upgrade all about how little it added and how much it took away. Apple needs to make it snow again. Snow Leopard did what it was made to do. It was one of the most solid software releases Apple ever put out." This gives the impression that it was solid out of the gate, which it was not. And the next paragraph specifically mentions "2009’s Snow Leopard". But later Snow Leopard releases were in 2011.
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