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Hacker News and Daring Fireball have so much in common:
1. Both long-running sites 2. Both serve a curious and tech savvy audience 3. Both run zero graphics 4. Both appreciate / provide long-form journalism
They should be fine bedfellows. What's going on?
It's funny, this post just got flagged. The shift from past popularity to apparent suppression is interesting, but without concrete proof, it remains speculation. Still, the frustration about opaque moderation resonates with me.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-from-silicon-valley/th...
As someone who's been reading Daring Fireball since 2004 and considers themselves an Apple fan, I think the algorithm is working exactly as intended if it's designed to limit intellectually dishonest content. Gruber has built a career on a predictable pattern: vociferously defend Apple's every decision (even contradicting his own previous positions when Apple changes course), construct elaborate post-rationalizations…
Your hypothesis is falsified.
Why is this article flagged? Hacker News and Daring Fireball have so much in common: 1. Both long-running sites 2. Both serve a curious and tech savvy audience 3. Both run zero graphics 4. Both appreciate / provide long-form journalism They should be fine bedfellows. What's going on?
Would be cool if @dang could check the flagging data in the articles since the massive drop in 2021 and see if there are any patterns (same people doing the flagging for every article).
I would like to see more DF on HN. The something rotten in Cupertino was a shattering post—people in my circle who do not read DF were discussing and sending it around, and I work at a place where so many dang people read HN. So I agree with Gruber’s concern. I’m surprised this post too is already flagged.
Well, if John is correct, it's not too surprising that it is flagged... I've noticed that being critical of Musk or Trump is a flag-magnet as well.. I guess either the owners of the site are cough "free-speech absolutists" or there's some concerted effort to prevent criticism of them - the former seems a lot more likely.
Would be nice if someone with access to the backend checked the flagging stats to see if there's a ring of people doing it.
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How then do you explain DF being #3 from 2007-2021 and #72 from 2021-2025? It’s clearly not blacklisted, but clearly is shitlisted, no?
Have you tried emailing hn@ycombinator.com and asking? From https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html How are stories ranked? The basic algorithm divides points by a power of the time since a story was submitted. Comments in threads are ranked the same way. Other factors affecting rank include user flags, anti-abuse software, software which demotes overheated discussions, account or site weighting, and moderator acti…
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Me too.
Agree! To be clear though it is not some backend thing by dang etc. but rather users with enough reputation to get the flag button are flagging your posts just because they don’t like you. That is the likeliest explanation.
Who knows how the algorithm here works exactly, but people submit daringfireball links regularly...
...and few HN users would like HN to function as a link aggregator that just shows a random selection of the same dozen sites, day after day.
One solution would be to penalise domains a little the more frequently they are submitted. Seems like a plausible explanation.