Kind of meta but what is the construction equipment in pic 5?
It looks like a cherry picker type crane. In the trade they are called 'widow makers'.
The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist
71–80 of 214 posts
Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
The author's tone is...definitely not neutral and it make it hard to believe them when they put pure conjecture in: "Between the high demand and likely paying workers a subminimum wage" with footnote "...While this practice was completely legal (current federal law permits employers to pay disabled workers a fraction of minimum wage), it’s certainly questionable practice coming from a guy whose entire schtick revolve…
Although it sounds very bad, there’s actually a good argument for paying disabled workers below-minimum wage: - Disabled people get paid (what is supposed to be, but not actually, a living wage) by the government, so they aren’t living on the wage. - No company would hire them if they were forced to pay minimum wage, because companies are greedy and would always hire a more productive non-disabled worker. - Many disa…
My counterargument would be:
If it is bellow ""living wage"" it should not be allowed.
(that was easy)
You can find other workarounds to incentive the hiring of disabled people and we (in italy) have a few:
-Requirement of medium and big firms to hire them (reduced ability, they can still perform)
For example where i work there is a janitor that has dawn syndrome and an IT guy with dwarfism
-tax breaks (so the worker still get paid minimum wage but to the company he costs less)
Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
It goes deeper than their "faith". These are the people who took away healthcare benefits from all Americans because they didn't personally want to fund birth control and women's health. It's reductive to say that the author looks negatively on the family because of their faith alone.
[flagged]
For reference:
> But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God—having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.
-- 2 Timothy 3:1-5
Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Although it sounds very bad, there’s actually a good argument for paying disabled workers below-minimum wage: - Disabled people get paid (what is supposed to be, but not actually, a living wage) by the government, so they aren’t living on the wage. - No company would hire them if they were forced to pay minimum wage, because companies are greedy and would always hire a more productive non-disabled worker. - Many disa…
My counterargument would be: If it is bellow ""living wage"" it should not be allowed. (that was easy) You can find other workarounds to incentive the hiring of disabled people and we (in italy) have a few: -Requirement of medium and big firms to hire them (reduced ability, they can still perform) For example where i work there is a janitor that has dawn syndrome and an IT guy with dwarfism -tax breaks (so the worker…
How is that an argument? That's just a position with no defense.
Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
The "heist", which presumably gets covered in part 2, is that a lot of these items were originally looted from Iraq after the US invasion in 2003. US Customs ended up seizing a lot of them, and about 15,000 items ended up having to be returned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobby_Lobby_smuggling_scandal
Well, visit British Museum, you will learn what is professional looting (a.k.a. robbery), not some amateurish second hand purchases done by those hobbyists.
To be honest and I am from Cyprus, the BM paid for a lot of archaeological expeditions at a time when Antiquity Laws were laxed and the expeditions could take 2/3 of the finds. The 19th century was another story, Cesnola for example (the, then American Ambassador to Cyprus) literally smuggled almost 30,000 objects, which formed the basis of the Metropolitan Museum.
Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
It goes deeper than their "faith". These are the people who took away healthcare benefits from all Americans because they didn't personally want to fund birth control and women's health. It's reductive to say that the author looks negatively on the family because of their faith alone.
[flagged]
Bible is full of contradictions. And old testament is quite cruel at places.
They are Christians. Destructive Christians on the quest to harm others ... but Christians.
Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist
#77> The fifth of six children fathered by Rev. Walter Green, God has always been at the forefront of Hobby Lobby patriarch David Green’s life. Imagine having a family of ordinary children, plus God. And yes, the remainder of the article confirms the promise of this gaffe. Two more examples: > This begs an obvious question. That's not what "begging the question" actually means. > or participating in anything the Reveran…
> > The fifth of six children fathered by Rev. Walter Green, God has always been at the forefront of Hobby Lobby patriarch David Green’s life.
> Imagine having a family of ordinary children, plus God. And yes, the remainder of the article confirms the promise of this gaffe.
Imagine not being able to parse a sentence.
> > This begs an obvious question.
> That's not what "begging the question" actually means.
If you're referring to the logical fallacy, as a foreign English speaker it's the first time I hear about that "begging the question" sense.
You're going to have a hard time with English if you don't know its current universal de-facto sense (which the author employed).
> What -- in 2025, no spell checker?
The horror
Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
The "heist", which presumably gets covered in part 2, is that a lot of these items were originally looted from Iraq after the US invasion in 2003. US Customs ended up seizing a lot of them, and about 15,000 items ended up having to be returned. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobby_Lobby_smuggling_scandal
Well, visit British Museum, you will learn what is professional looting (a.k.a. robbery), not some amateurish second hand purchases done by those hobbyists.
The British Museum saved many artifacts which would have been destroyed by various nutty religious types ( a' la Greens ) over the centuries.
In doing so, I doubt that they broke any export regulations.
And entrance to the British Museum is free, for everyone.
Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist
#79I wish the author was a little less over-wrought in her descriptions of the Green family's religious commitments. I've heard complaints before about the Green's artifact acquisition process, and they've had to return some manuscripts: it's a story worth investigating and telling. But it distracts from the author's main point when she's making snide comments about their faith. Yes, they're Christians who are successfu…
Completely agree. I think the author's tone in this article, in a nutshell, exemplifies what was a huge driving force of so many evangelical's in the US now being firmly in the MAGA camp, even though that seems paradoxical to many of us. For a long time now, many people who's religious values are deeply important to them have felt disrespected and looked down upon by "the left" (yes, I'm obviously painting with a bro…
Would you ever excused leftist, feminist or atheist from massive hypocrisy or fraud with "conservatives are talking with disdain about them, therefore they have no moral agency"? And being from conservative environment, things that were being said about left, feminists, democrats were widely insulting for years.
Plus, you mean, any criticism or anyone pointing out hypocrisy or frauds or lies? As in, we all need to pretend these people never do wrong, because otherwise they might turn berserk? The same people who scorn and mock frequently and regularly need to be treated with niceties they never awarded to own opponent? They are at MAGA camp, because their values are compatible with MAGA, because they don't mind any of what Trump does.
If a compliment is all that it takes for you to reject your claimed morals, you never had them. And to credit of democrats, but Musk and Trump tried to get power through that camp first. They tried to take progressive cloak to get power and again, to credit of progressives, their hypocrisy was noted. That Christian right embraced those people does not imply they are victims, they are perpetrators.
Re: The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Aside from what I called out in my sibling comment these two are pretty snide: "A fortune built on the sales of sewing notions and glitter has paid for many of the country’s most influential megachurches and scriptures delivered to the most remote corners of the world. A careful calculation of potential proselytized souls drives every financial decision." "Perhaps the Greens, in their inexperience, did not understand…
Well. Those sure are incredibly mild. This entire thread is among the most bizarre things I've ever seen on HN.
They are mild in the context of an internet flame war or rap fight sure.
There might be real discussion to be had on Hobby Lobby and their actions however it is hard to get there because you are trying to pick through pure conjecture and speculation with the style of writing makes it look more like an opinionated hit piece.