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Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by Rodeoclash »

grapesodaaaaa wrote: post #68
int_19h wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right there in the article: "This decision follows a similar case against Internet backbone firm Cloudflare. In January, the Court of Milan found that Cloudflare's CDN, DNS server, and WARP VPN were facilitating piracy. The court threatened Cloudflare with fines of up to 10,000 euros per day if it did not begin blocking the sites."

That’s hilarious to me suggesting that DNS can facilitate privacy. What about the people who own the copper that’s transporting the piracy? That actually seems like it’s more of a direct link than DNS.

Shh, don't give them ideas!

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by mk89 »

yimby2001 wrote: post #52
miki123211 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For one simple reason. If the US wants some content gone from the internet, they (usually) have enough might to make that happen. Most major tech companies are registered in the US, and can be ordered by a US court to stop providing services to pirates. This notably includes most major DNS registrars, reputable ad networks and major payment processors. There's no point in blocking a website if you can just boot it of…

What piracy has the US government ever stopped? The pirate bay is up all the free movie tv.com sites are up

Kim Dotcom... they even went to New Zealand...!

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by sgjohnson »

contravariant wrote: post #64
ur-whale wrote: post #46

If there is ONE thing that needs to be decentralized RTFN, it is DNS. It's taking time, but the thugs in charge in various countries are slowly coming to realize that the easiest place to apply censorship is DNS because of its antiquated design and pervasiveness. One: you should be able to freely choose or name-to-IP-translation provider. Two: modern DNS should run on top of a trustless blockchain infrastructure. Nam…

To some extent it is decentralized is it not? Other than a small list of who serves which TLD you should be able to find the canonical nameserver for any domain. It should be more normal for people to have a DNS running locally perhaps.

> To some extent it is decentralized is it not? No. Everything relies on the root servers, as recursive servers rely on them.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by williamscales »

amiga386 wrote: post #61
Aachen wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean what law? See the court case, they've issued it and so they can either pay it or see what Italy wants to do about it If you get a speeding ticket in North Korea and fly off before it arrives at the car rental, you can ask what law the rental is going to use to get the money from you abroad. You can not pay and choose to never visit the country again. In Cloudflare's case, however, they probably want…

I'm not sure North Korea is a place you'd make a car rental, but this is now 99% of car rentals work: 1. You agree up-front in the contract with the car rental company that you will pay for all fines, parking tickets, etc. you might incur during the rental. You agree ahead of time the rental company won't waste any money defending you, arguing you didn't do it, and will instead pay the whole fine immediately and pass…

Indeed this is how it generally works with rentals. GP’s situation can just be reframed as “you get a ticket handed to you for [any small infraction] and leave the country without paying”.

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Post by antirez »

Is all that folks "Why is Europe like that" from US? In that case, remember that TikTok is going to be banned because it is destroying US social networks business. On the contrary, this is an official order after the proof of copyright infringement, and targets the specific devices that are attached by people here in Italy on their TVs to stoke content (pezzotto).

It's not single people that go watch some streaming, it's a criminal organization that resells copyrighted content like footbool, F1, ... and make the customers pay (less than Sky of course). This is stealing.

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Post by salawat »

grapesodaaaaa wrote: post #68
int_19h wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right there in the article: "This decision follows a similar case against Internet backbone firm Cloudflare. In January, the Court of Milan found that Cloudflare's CDN, DNS server, and WARP VPN were facilitating piracy. The court threatened Cloudflare with fines of up to 10,000 euros per day if it did not begin blocking the sites."

That’s hilarious to me suggesting that DNS can facilitate privacy. What about the people who own the copper that’s transporting the piracy? That actually seems like it’s more of a direct link than DNS.

Disintermediation is the name of the game, and they won't stop because there's money to be made.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by LeroyRaz »

antirez wrote: post #76

Is all that folks "Why is Europe like that" from US? In that case, remember that TikTok is going to be banned because it is destroying US social networks business. On the contrary, this is an official order after the proof of copyright infringement, and targets the specific devices that are attached by people here in Italy on their TVs to stoke content (pezzotto). It's not single people that go watch some streaming,…

TikTok is a legitimate national security concern.

Re: Italy demands Google poison DNS under strict Piracy Shield law

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Post by chias »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #49
miki123211 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of Cloudflare is that it's widely available and that your customers can connect to it. Italy could block Cloudflare access to Cloudflare for its citizens, which would make non-italian CF customers who have users in Italy extremely unhappy. Imagine an American SaaS company that uses Cloudflare CDN to distribute their assets and tunnels their traffic through CF for DoS mitigation. That company has paying cust…

CF blocking a whole country like this would be interesting... basically half the internet would stop working, probably a bunch of italian government stuff too, and people would hopefully blame the government, because i'm pretty sure there are almost zero italian voters who wanted this from their representatives. Sadly, companies bow down instead of just risk it once.

Are you suggesting that it is a good thing for corporations to be more powerful than governments?

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Post by scarface_74 »

jimnotgym wrote: post #59
yimby2001 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What piracy has the US government ever stopped? The pirate bay is up all the free movie tv.com sites are up

The US pressured the Swedish government to close Pirate bay, sieze its servers etc. Tried to shut it for the whole world. This is the country that banned Tiktok, inacted the DMCA. Apparently the US has blocked 1.2m websites since 2010. They sieze domains, sieze servers. They stop payment companies working for the sites.

And TikTok is still available in the US and on the app stores…
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