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Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by tehjoker »

idle_zealot wrote: post #68
tehjoker wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

isnt it efficient though for these capabilities to exist? why not nationalize them instead and make them accountable to the public

IMO it makes sense to nationalize things that lend themselves to natural monopolies, or sectors where innovation has mostly dried up on account of maturity, where continued progress is largely driven by tax-funded research grants already. I'm not convinced that "computing" is such an industry, innovation seems dead there because of monopoly. In that case, they should be broken up to drive competition-fueled innovatio…

i think this pov buys too tightly into the idea that national projects arent innovative they are often more innovative than the private sector but it requires buy in and focus from their managers and funding from politicians

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

hyperbovine wrote: post #36
bearjaws wrote: post #2

It's honestly amazing how Apple managed to dodge anti-trust in the United States. The fact you cannot build a competing watch is unacceptable and the idea that "well go build one for Android" is refusing to acknowledge that Apple is its own market in and of itself. Throw in the fact that even getting an app that isn't a game into the App store is not trivial, especially if it dares include some form of payment proces…

I don't see how you can be a monopoly with <30% market share.

You're conflating two different markets.

Apple has less than 100% market share for phones. Apps and phone accessories are not phones, they're separate products made by separate entities.

If Apple phones and Android phones were compatible then the apps would be addressing the same market. For example, phones from Samsung and phones from Xiaomi both run the same apps, so they're in the same market. However, phones from Apple and phones from Samsung do not run the same apps. They're different markets. And Apple has a monopoly on the former.

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Post by rickdeckard »

> "Apple’s “Watch Policy” annoys me, but not enough to switch to Android. I hope Apple will be forced to improve their compatibility with other watches."

The conundrum of "[xyz] annoys me, but not enough to [do anything about it], yet I hope [Company] will be forced to improve [xyz]"

So where is that 'force' expected to come from...?

Re: Apple restricts Pebble from being awesome with iPhones

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Post by jandrese »

mrpippy wrote: post #43
sabellito wrote: post #18

Some 6 years ago I bought new bluetooth headphones. Every time I'd put them on, my macbook would open apple music (I didn't even know it was installed). Every time. No way to disable it, I really tried. Stopped shy of doing some kernel stuff. Sold that laptop, and have never touched anything apple since. Probably never will. The hardware's good, everything else is an embarrassing mess. Sent from my Ubuntu.

Your headphones were probably sending an AVRCP 'play' command every time they connect. This was a common problem with older car radios too.

Not only every time they connect, but every time they are paused or stopped too. My car has this problem. It was not possible to pause the music, it would always immediately restart play.

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Post by snapcaster »

beeflet wrote: post #51
presbyterian wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this is true. Apple could drop smart watch support entirely and I still wouldn't use an Android phone. I personally find the user experience infinitely better on iOS than on Android, and Apple would have to drop the ball very bad to get me to switch. (Note: This isn't because Apple is without faults. iOS and macOS are both a mess right now, and iPadOS is even worse. I just think that Android is worse th…

what's so bad about android

Operating system made by advertising company is why it's a deal breaker for me

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Post by infecto »

wafflemaker wrote: post #47

Lol, you're asking for it by using apple. I'm still recommending Apple to family members (less support needed from me, and I can always say I have Android and can't use apple so I can't help). But you have to go all in. If you want non apple stuff, just use something else. And if you can use Linux etc., why are you using Apple? Other then being lazy, which is totally ok.

I guess you could call it lazy, I value my time and have zero desire to tinker with the daily products I use. I am sure some enjoy it but I do not.

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Post by snotrockets »

tacker2000 wrote: post #65

Similar thing is going on with the Spotify Apple Watch app, probably so that people migrate to Apple Music... see this discussion, for example: https://www.reddit.com/r/AppleWatch/comments/1h6qmrw/spotify...

With Spotify app, some issues seem to be due to Spotify themselves. For example, even when you explicitly download music to your watch, the app needs network connection to start playing. This seems to be explicit design decision on Spotify's part.

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Post by resource_waste »

I read Darwin recently and he talks about how weak insects will use deception methods to compensate for their lack of strength and it reminded me of Apple.

They arent the best, they are never 1st, they are 2nd or third or beyond.

Instead they found niches in marketing. Read the word "Security" or "Privacy" in white and black text in their commercials, no actual claims on either. Just the words. They have stylish products with their celebrities, dancing people, and blue bubbles. None add to the strength to the product. In the LLM world, they've tricked people into thinking 'unified RAM' and integrated video cards are equivalent to an Nvidia GPU.

Specifically on topic, iPhones seemed to always under perform in features. This is yet another example.

Their track record makes it obvious, but most consumers won't notice. That is why the deception works. I used to be an Android Zealot who preached the immorality of Apple, but I genuinely stopped caring that other people were making mistakes and Apple was exploiting them. If anything, I take notes personally how to be more like Apple, save my strength and get positive outcomes.

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