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Moving away from US cloud services

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Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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> Wrapping up - Migrating away from US cloud services was easier than I expected. This is absolutely not the main takeaway and I find it difficult to see how he could write this - there are gaping holes. Git repos (it's too difficult). NPM (ditto). Startpage uses Google's index. The only meaningful switch he mentions is Proton, but as other comments have pointed out they have vendor lock-in problems. The real takeawa…

> Git repos (it's too difficult)

Sourcehut

> Startpage uses Google's index.

If they have enough users/make enough money, they'll make their own. Ecosia and Qwant (both european search engines) are working together to make their own index.

In any case, even if a european is a proxy for an american service, you need to prove that there is a market for an european equivalent for change to happen.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

#73

Hey so I’m pretty sure you can host your own business mail for free these days without a static IP. This is basically how it would go: Cloudflare Tunnel installed on your box (free) Cloudflare Email Worker connected to your domain which writes emails to a KV store (generous free tiers) Cloudflare Worker that downloads the emails from the KV store and uses Worker TCP sockets to send it to your mail server over the tun…

I thought the whole point of this post is to get away from US clouds. So why should I choose Cloudflare and Azure in the end?

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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> more closely defends the interests of the US.

Uhm, you did notice the threats of invasion and annexation to allies, didn't you? This is not "more closely defending interests", this is a 180° change of policy after half a century. Maybe this feels like some minor issue to you, but generally, countries take direct threats to their sovereignity extremely seriously.

And the thing is - while Europe didn't do the whole "growth above all" thing in recent years, it still has the best median quality of life in the entire world. Maybe there is a point, where it's just good enough?

Maybe the price of eternal exponential growth is too high.

I've been hearing those doomsday "europe is going to get destroyed economically" stories for my entire life. Yet the median quality of life and other societal markers kept going up.

Do you really not notice what you are doing to supposed allies, without whom the US is essentially nothing? This is a two way street. And without protection from the US, why should american outstanding political influence be a thing anymore? The US and its citizens aren't special, just one country among many others now.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

#75

Hey so I’m pretty sure you can host your own business mail for free these days without a static IP. This is basically how it would go: Cloudflare Tunnel installed on your box (free) Cloudflare Email Worker connected to your domain which writes emails to a KV store (generous free tiers) Cloudflare Worker that downloads the emails from the KV store and uses Worker TCP sockets to send it to your mail server over the tun…

isn't cloudflare a US corp ?

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

#76

>At the very least, think twice before signing up for new US services. Consider European services instead. To be clear, this Europe? https://www.europol.europa.eu/media-press/newsroom/news/euro...

Pretty much every country has interests groups trying to push backdoors into end-to-end encrypted services, what's your point?

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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The biggest elephants in the room are cloud providers, but I didn't find an easy alternative yet (hetzner, ovhcloud). ATM, the idea to the business is sold, that data resides somewhere near by in a datacenter, EU proximity. However, the EU businesses are realising that, well, whole region is at a mercy of one person.

I think this is less of an issue than people actually think - if it gets to the point where this becomes a real problem, individual EU countries can force the datacenter owners like Google/MS to change ownership structure for these datacenters to EU-based subsidiaries or completely new companies if they want to continue to operate.

I wouldn't buy that - if there is a dead switch then sorry, I don't want to pay that with my business.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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I find the Proton tools to be a joy to use and I use them for my business. For clients, I can't do that to them. Microsoft completely dominates and people just expect to be able to video call, chat, work on docs, etc. MS365 remains incredible value for money and pretty optimal for normies.

I recently had to use MS365 for a short time and I hated every moment.

Absolutely. Microsoft stuff is so mediocre and incompetent.

They get away with it because they're pretty much the only game in town for enterprise. So there is no drive for them to improve in any way.

But really, companies choose Microsoft because it's all connected (easy to manage for them) and fairly cheap if you take the whole package and because "nobody ever got fired for picking Microsoft". But AAA third-party solutions are always way better in terms of UX and features. Picking Microsoft tools always feels like you're settling for less.

I manage a lot of the microsoft 365 stuff at work and I really hate my job. Also the condescending attitude of their employees and 'consultants'.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

#80

Hey so I’m pretty sure you can host your own business mail for free these days without a static IP. This is basically how it would go: Cloudflare Tunnel installed on your box (free) Cloudflare Email Worker connected to your domain which writes emails to a KV store (generous free tiers) Cloudflare Worker that downloads the emails from the KV store and uses Worker TCP sockets to send it to your mail server over the tun…

The explicitly includes Cloudflare as one of the big services they currently used and needed to excise from their life as part of this move. Promoting consolidation from many providers to one while also switching from a generic solution to a vendor locked-in one would probably be a downgrade in their book.
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