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Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

#71

It really isn't smart to do this kind of thing. Once an organization actually attacks you, it's very easy to decide that any legitimacy they view themselves as having is irrelevant and to come back next Monday with mortars and machine guns.

> any legitimacy they view themselves as having

I'm pretty sure that's not actually how power or legitimacy work anyway.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

#72

Is there any counter measure for this? Hardcore hearing protection? Noise cancelling headphones? Handheld sound insulation "shield"?

Once there's violence targeting you, the solution is to bring real weapons and resolve it using ordinary military tactics, that is, you kill the operator.

Defensive measure are also enjoyable as they give an increased tactical field - as to put it, they increase the luck area.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

#73

Serbia had the LRAD systems on hand, after buying them in 2022, most likely from Genasys, but possibly from HyperSpike. https://genasys.com/lrad-products/ It's a legal gray area in Serbia where the use against civilians isn't explicitly forbidden, so they're playing fast and loose and moving fast to crush opposition. It's better than troops just gunning people down, but for a modern, supposedly civilized country it's…

the only acceptable condition to use it maybe if there are riot or violence breakout in that area not for peaceful protest

If you were at a protest that was starting to get a bit rowdy and somebody used one of these on you, what would you do? I'd either come back prepared for actual violence, or switch from protest to sabotage.

It just screams "escalation" to me.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Everything short of the worst we've ever done is totally OK? What even is this argument?

This attempted deflection is as old as the hills. The Soviet Union spent a great deal of propaganda time talking about American slavery and Jim Crow, and it wasn’t because they cared about the issues. We call it “whatabout” now but it’s been the first defensive move when defending the indefensible for ages.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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It's a weapon meant to deny the use of an area by threatening non-selective permanent physical damage. There are very few legitimate civil use cases for something like that.

Something like protecting the capitol from being stormed by a mob?

Only if you want to justify the mob's presence there.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Once there's violence targeting you, the solution is to bring real weapons and resolve it using ordinary military tactics, that is, you kill the operator.

"Attack is the best form of defence" is a well-grounded doctrine, but it's not mutually exclusive with protecting yourself. Armies use armoured vehicles even though armour-piercing shells exist, for example. It's also not always necessary; actively using force against the authorities would essentially be the start of a civil war, and personally I don't think starting a civil war is more likely to result in change tha…

Yes, but these kinds of systems are not actually very good as military weapons. They are easily countered by simply shooting the operators.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

#78
Are there any reputable sources confirming this? So far I've only seen random accounts on social media making the claim. The police, defence ministry and emergency hospital all deny the claim.

Jeez. Getting your comment flagged for asking for a source. I'm out.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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The report I read said it relied on bone conduction, so hearing protection wouldn't do a whole lot. Only things that can attenuate low frequency sounds before it gets to the ear. So muff style headphones might work, or mass

Can you have a device which upon detecting the frequency emits some kind of counter vibration that cancels out th attack?

This is how active noise cancellation works in headphones. You stick little microphones on the outside of the headphones, then play back what’s picked up through the headphones themselves but with a very slight delay so all the peaks and troughs match up. The problem is that you need to put out sounds at least as loud, and that’s a pretty bad thing to get even slightly wrong if the energy levels are that high.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

#80
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There are "dual-use" systems, and there are systems that are only weapons. There's also technologies and basic research, but those are different matters. I'm first interested in the more straightforward situation of the people who worked on a less-lethal weapon system, which they might've anticipated would be used in exactly this way. What do they think about that?

their first thought was maybe that used again riot or violence in the first place not necessarily to attack people I mean its just moral Highground at this point, same can be said for Oppenheimer if he didn't do it maybe war that more costly would occur

Can you have the moral high ground if you're using violence against your people?
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