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Shenmue (1999) reverse engineering reveals possible sun position oversight

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Re: Shenmue (1999) reverse engineering reveals possible sun position oversight

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

lmm wrote: post #65
pandemic_region wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it typical for Japanese towns to have all the electricity wiring above ground? Is it on purpose, maybe related to historical earthquake trauma?

> Is it typical for Japanese towns to have all the electricity wiring above ground? Yes > Is it on purpose Yes? Electrical wiring is built deliberately, of course it's on purpose. Where else would you put it, and why? You're implying it's somehow normal to bury it? That sounds like it would be expensive, both to build and to maintain.

> You're implying it's somehow normal to bury it? That sounds like it would be expensive, both to build and to maintain.

It is in my neck of the woods (the Netherlands) too, the only places you see overground electricity is high tension lines outside of towns. Here's a random suburb I just picked randomly, looks like it was built in the 80's: https://maps.app.goo.gl/7DeZiTyKuB4DZKdG8. Or else Amsterdam, which is much older: https://maps.app.goo.gl/FWm6vYgbV5h2CkZu5.

I'd argue (based purely on gut feeling and handwaving) that having it out in the open is more expensive and dangerous; weathering, wind, trees, cars crashing into it, people climbing up into it, birds, etc.

Anyway, your comment sounds like US defaultism, be wary of that.

Re: Shenmue (1999) reverse engineering reveals possible sun position oversight

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Post by ac2u »

nanna wrote: post #66

Shenmue I and II will stay with me forever. I waited and waited for Shenmue III, and swore that when it came out I would buy whatever it took to play it, but the reviews were so poor that I haven't even tried it. Is it worth it?

Haven't yet completed it. In my opinion, although the originals had a clunky control scheme, it still had charm. Really bugs me how they moved the camera to an "over one shoulder" view rather than directly behind like in the first games. (nitpick) They also changed the iconic font used in the for no good reason.

Re: Shenmue (1999) reverse engineering reveals possible sun position oversight

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Post by serf »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #71
lmm wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it typical for Japanese towns to have all the electricity wiring above ground? Yes > Is it on purpose Yes? Electrical wiring is built deliberately, of course it's on purpose. Where else would you put it, and why? You're implying it's somehow normal to bury it? That sounds like it would be expensive, both to build and to maintain.

> You're implying it's somehow normal to bury it? That sounds like it would be expensive, both to build and to maintain. It is in my neck of the woods (the Netherlands) too, the only places you see overground electricity is high tension lines outside of towns. Here's a random suburb I just picked randomly, looks like it was built in the 80's: https://maps.app.goo.gl/7DeZiTyKuB4DZKdG8 . Or else Amsterdam, which is muc…

>Anyway, your comment sounds like US defaultism, be wary of that.

i'm a US citizen that is surrounded in underground electrical networks; i'm not sure there is really a 'US defaultist' stance on whether or not one prefers above or underground wiring.

Re: Shenmue (1999) reverse engineering reveals possible sun position oversight

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Post by dfxm12 »

chiffre01 wrote: post #24

Playing through Shenmue 1, they did a really good job capturing the vibe of the area. Looking at random points in Yokosuka just feel like Shenmue. https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2781594,139.677597,3a,75y,27...

Hasn't changed much since 1986, either. Speaking of Sega games set in Japan, the Yakuza games do a good job at this as well, at least for Kabukicho and Dotonbori. I even knew to get crabs at Kani Doraku because of the games! It's like virtual tourism in some ways...

Re: Shenmue (1999) reverse engineering reveals possible sun position oversight

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Post by dfxm12 »

nanna wrote: post #66

Shenmue I and II will stay with me forever. I waited and waited for Shenmue III, and swore that when it came out I would buy whatever it took to play it, but the reviews were so poor that I haven't even tried it. Is it worth it?

Shenmue is in a unique genre. The gameplay of III is more of the same, but not very innovative on top of what came before it. So, if you like I & II, you'll probably like III. The game plays as if it came out in 2003, not 2019, if that makes sense, but it takes full advantage of the graphics capabilities of the PS4. I understand mixed reviews. If you did enjoy I & II, the gameplay feels nostalgic & familiar, and you've probably played nothing like it in the past 20+ years. If you didn't, the gameplay probably seems antiquated, if not quaint, and you understand why there aren't many games like it.

My qualms with the game were more story related.

Re: Shenmue (1999) reverse engineering reveals possible sun position oversight

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Post by bondarchuk »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #71
lmm wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it typical for Japanese towns to have all the electricity wiring above ground? Yes > Is it on purpose Yes? Electrical wiring is built deliberately, of course it's on purpose. Where else would you put it, and why? You're implying it's somehow normal to bury it? That sounds like it would be expensive, both to build and to maintain.

> You're implying it's somehow normal to bury it? That sounds like it would be expensive, both to build and to maintain. It is in my neck of the woods (the Netherlands) too, the only places you see overground electricity is high tension lines outside of towns. Here's a random suburb I just picked randomly, looks like it was built in the 80's: https://maps.app.goo.gl/7DeZiTyKuB4DZKdG8 . Or else Amsterdam, which is muc…

It depends a lot on the soil, in holland it is extraordinarily easy to bury stuff. Beware of netherlands defaultism ;)

Re: Shenmue (1999) reverse engineering reveals possible sun position oversight

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Post by indrora »

chiffre01 wrote: post #24

Playing through Shenmue 1, they did a really good job capturing the vibe of the area. Looking at random points in Yokosuka just feel like Shenmue. https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2781594,139.677597,3a,75y,27...

A friend of mine through sheer luck happened to be able to take a two month trip to Yokosuka nearly all expenses paid. She spent the first week or so just plotting out the map of Shenmue and the local map to see how much was rearranged.

The town is definitely Different but recognizable in a lot of ways. Lots of small landmarks that were gently adjusted or changed to make it simpler

Re: Shenmue (1999) reverse engineering reveals possible sun position oversight

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Post by QuercusMax »

antithesizer wrote: post #64
QuercusMax wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I took the sophomore-level Computer Graphics class as an undergrad in 2001, the final project was to build a solar system simulator in OpenGL. It didn't have to be especially faithful (all orbits perfectly round, don't care about starting positions, etc). The most complicated part was implementing a view from a planet's surface which would rotate at the proper rate for the given planet. This was not a difficult…

Saty?

I don't know who that is... I went to Kent State.

Re: Shenmue (1999) reverse engineering reveals possible sun position oversight

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Post by isthisfoss »

ascagnel_ wrote: post #43
regus wrote: post #41

I was really hyped for Shenmue when it came out on the Dreamcast, but I wasn't crazy about it once I finally played it. It was a glorified point and click adventure game, and it ultimately had no ending or purpose. It was an interesting and ambitious idea for a game though, they threw the kitchen sink in there. My favorite part of the game was playing space harrier in the arcade.

While it's not a direct continuation, the Yakuza (and later Like a Dragon) series is a spiritual successor in some ways.

I really hate this analogy. Yes it's also published by Sega but the director, development team, and gameplay elements are quite different. Shenmue to me was mainly about NPC interaction and open-world exploration whereas Yakuza is just a straight brawler re-intepreting classic Yakuza tropes.

The move from Shenmue I to Shenmue II almost makes me think that was the direction Yu Suzuki was heading but never really ended up there. Have not played Shenmue III yet so I could be wrong.

Re: Shenmue (1999) reverse engineering reveals possible sun position oversight

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Post by Rendello »

nanna wrote: post #66

Shenmue I and II will stay with me forever. I waited and waited for Shenmue III, and swore that when it came out I would buy whatever it took to play it, but the reviews were so poor that I haven't even tried it. Is it worth it?

I can't say from personal experience, but I did find this review by Dunkey hilarious and likely representative of the gameplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7SVY9CyBBc
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