There’s a certain irony here as ARM is 100% British European.
Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing
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Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing
#72If we want this to go anywhere, not just super computing, the first step is to get devices, useful devices, in the hands of enthusiast. That means funding projects similar to the Raspberry Pi, but for RISC-V, and perhaps mini-itx boards. We need these cheap-ish computers in the hands of people who will port software to the platform. Without a good selection of ready to go software, the hardware is pretty irrelevant.
The framework main board is surely that? https://frame.work/products/deep-computing-risc-v-mainboard
No it's not. For HPC good software support for the vector extension is basically everything that matters, and the framework main board doesn't support that extension.
I would currently recommend the BananaPI BPI-F3 or the OrangePI RV2 for that purpose, as they both have the same SpacemiT X60 cores, which support the vector extension.
Sadly there are currently only in-order cores with RVV support available. Getting a cheap out-of-order implementation is the next most important thing for improving software support.
Tenstorrent has announced they will release a 8x Ascalon devboard and laptop next year: https://youtu.be/ttQtC1dQqwo?t=1035
Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing
#73There’s a certain irony here as ARM is 100% British European.
If they feel like offering licenses, I bet European companies will appreciate.
Besides they are no longer 100% as you mention.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
The US is extremely chaotic and unpredictable. China is fairly stable and predictable.
This is it. China might be authoritarian, but it's acting way less eratic than the US right now.
That may be in part to their 'president for life'. Leaders are not immortal though and transitions between them have seen large and sometimes catastrophic changes. China designed its modern political system to avoid that, only for Xi to undo it and purge younger potential challengers.
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#75RISC architecture is going to change everything
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The current crop of cores were designed several years ago before some key standards were adopted. They exist mostly to experiment and allow early adopters to develop software.
Next generation cores from companies like Ventana claim very high performance (we’ll see what PPW ends up being). Tenstorrent has already started talking about an extremely wide core to follow their already 8-wide designs. Qualcomm seems quite interested in the idea of moving from ARM to RISCV and there are other companies working on big stuff, but it takes 4-5 years and the final pieces of the puzzle only fell into place a couple years ago, so the designs are all in progress.
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#78China recently moved that direction. That would be nice collaboration to see between EU and China. China to publish policy to boost RISC-V chip use nationwide, sources say https://www.reuters.com/technology/china-publish-policy-boos...
If the goal is to decouple from the U.S., why would the EU want to collaborate with a totalitarian state like China?
At UN votes when voting about Ruzzian invasion China abstain while USA voted with Ruzzia and other most despicable dictatorships. Still waiting for a MAGA explain this 5D chess move and explain what the USA citizen won from this.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not true. If only because the EU cannot cancel elections. I suppose you're referring to Georgescu?
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If it's Georgescu you're referring to (because you don't seem to want to say so): the annulment was upheld by the ECHR.
We cannot tolerate democracy threatening extremism any longer, nor Russian interference. If anything, the EU is too soft. Orban, and to a lesser degree Fico, are a disgrace, also to their own population.
Re: Europe bets once again on RISC-V for supercomputing
#80Surely arm is a better choice?
ARM just sued their largest customer.
ARM just announced they are manufacturing their own chips for the first time further threatening their customers (despite testifying the exact opposite in court a couple months ago).
Since SoftBank took over, their company has shifted and proved that when a standard is controlled by one company, there will eventually be issues.
Switching to RISC means those issues won’t ever happen again.