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Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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Post by euroderf »

mikae1 wrote: post #22

I ran a Hackintosh as my main machine for many years. I specced (using info found on tonymacx86[1]) and built it around 15 years ago to make it work well as a Hackintosh. And work well it did. Incredibly well actually. But now the doors are closing. macOS will soon be ARM/Silicon only and that will be the end of a Hackintosh era. That's the reason I'm not willing to invest the time or energy to do the same again. Hop…

> macOS will soon be ARM/Silicon only and that will be the end of a Hackintosh era.

Need it be so ? There will be a "final" version for Intel and it might have a lifetime on non-Apple HW of many years.

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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Post by opengears »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #55
opengears wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair - the reverse engineering has to be done for every of the M series, and the M1 is the best supported Apple SoC so far. I guess we should support the project if we want them to succeed (they live from donations).

We could also regulate that large hardware companies have to publicly document their systems. Otherwise the public pays with more ewaste.

This is a very good idea! But how would we enforce and check this (see recent issues to enforce right to repair)? What would be the KPIs - repairability score? Apple for example is arguing against this by saying that when they repair things themselves it is more sustainable than making documentation available to external repair stores (Louis Rossmann has been talking about this for ages)

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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Post by opengears »

euroderf wrote: post #71
mikae1 wrote: post #22

I ran a Hackintosh as my main machine for many years. I specced (using info found on tonymacx86[1]) and built it around 15 years ago to make it work well as a Hackintosh. And work well it did. Incredibly well actually. But now the doors are closing. macOS will soon be ARM/Silicon only and that will be the end of a Hackintosh era. That's the reason I'm not willing to invest the time or energy to do the same again. Hop…

> macOS will soon be ARM/Silicon only and that will be the end of a Hackintosh era. Need it be so ? There will be a "final" version for Intel and it might have a lifetime on non-Apple HW of many years.

Exactly! And even if Sequoia is the last OS to have Intel support, it will be some years before it stops receiving updates. Currently you are only missing out on "Apple Intelligence" when using Hackintosh or Intel Mac - some even think abut this as a feature rather than a bug

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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Post by opengears »

paldepind2 wrote: post #46
Reason077 wrote: post #40

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Presumably ARM hackintoshes are, or will be, possible too? Recent ARM processors (eg: Qualcomm’s Snapdragon X) have performance comparable to Apple’s M-series, and are even finding their way into desktops. So there shouldn’t be a shortage of candidate hardware in the coming years!

My understanding is that it will be much harder as ARM is way less standardized than the Intel x86 platform. This is something that Linus Thorvalds has talked about in the past [1]. Think about how huge an effort it is to get Linux to run on Apple’s ARM machines or how some distros have a Pi specific variant. I guess getting macOS to run on other ARM machines could be similar challenging. 1: https://www.pcworld.com/a…

I would love to know more about this. Would it not be (at least theoretically) possible to hackintosh ARM, as Asahi Linux reverse engineered at least some parts of the M series?

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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Post by opengears »

justahuman74 wrote: post #5

Just install linux and move on with life

True, but some people in the process of moving to Linux depend on workflows that work on Mac only (at least until they fully moved to Linux). For me this was: Davinci Resolve (no h.264 support on Linux) and Adobe Suite - that I could continue to use. The compelling case for hackintosh is that you can dual boot it if you need to.

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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Post by danw1979 »

genewitch wrote: post #66
danw1979 wrote: post #45

I thought it would be interesting to run the numbers for the question “how far can I drive my Prius if I didn’t buy this ?” for a new Macbook Pro M4 (14 inch). The answer is a pleasing 1337 miles (198kg lifetime CO2 of the macbook / 148g mile CO2 average for the 2011 Prius). This is pretty surprising. I’d always thought laptop purchases had a much higher impact than an average couple of months of driving.

148 grams per mile? Do you use a water wheel made of magic to charge your Prius?

It’s not a plug-in.

148g CO2/mile is ~45mpg using 95 octane E10.

still surprised ?

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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Post by genewitch »

danw1979 wrote: post #76
genewitch wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

148 grams per mile? Do you use a water wheel made of magic to charge your Prius?

It’s not a plug-in. 148g CO2/mile is ~45mpg using 95 octane E10. still surprised ?

I get ~197g CO2/mile, unless your mile is different than mine.

~122g/km at stated 45MPG.

oh also i remember why i mentioned the water wheel. this doesn't take into account the manufacture of the car, nor any other "externalities" and that's fine, but when you say 148g/mile it sounds like that's all included.

Perhaps you meant it as a gotcha, and if so, ensure your value is correct, as i don't think it was. 197 if ~8900g/gallon of gasoline is correct. I couldn't get a quick answer to if RON 95 is fundamentally different than say 91 octane in the US, which some pages assures me means the same thing. If so, it is closer to 200 than 150 grams per mile.

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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Post by MonkeyClub »

genewitch wrote: post #67
MonkeyClub wrote: post #54

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> that’s 5km away Which is about an hour's walk, or about twenty minutes cycling.

I'm sure someone can remark, given an average of 125W of power in the human, and the CO2 released, which is really just our food post processed into fat and being attached to poisonous oxygen to get it out of our bodies, how much, exactly, carbon is exhaled walking 40 minutes a day.

Do you mean to say that walking (and by extension exercise) is anti-environmental?

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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Post by justahuman74 »

LoganDark wrote: post #9
rvz wrote: post #8

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For those who care about their life and getting things done just install WSL. You still get to run Windows as normal and have Linux running without messing around or playing with display servers, drivers and the like.

I tried WSL, but when WSL 1 was abandoned in favor of Hyper-V I was devastated because the new Hyper-V WSL is kind of shit in comparison. No longer are processes and files shared with the host system, you just get an opaque block of CPU and an opaque block of disk space being used. BTW, if at any time in the future you have to clear out part of that opaque block of disk space to make room - good luck shrinking it. I…

My read on this is that eventually microsoft flips them around and puts windows in the VM with device pass-through

Re: Hackintoshing as a sustainable environmental practice

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Post by genewitch »

MonkeyClub wrote: post #78
genewitch wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure someone can remark, given an average of 125W of power in the human, and the CO2 released, which is really just our food post processed into fat and being attached to poisonous oxygen to get it out of our bodies, how much, exactly, carbon is exhaled walking 40 minutes a day.

Do you mean to say that walking (and by extension exercise) is anti-environmental?

well, if there's a carbon tax, we exhale carbon, literally, so, yes.

p.s. i am being glib.

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