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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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It's really tiring seeing the HN enlightened conservatives talking as if there is a coherent policy here. Withdrawing military support for Ukraine alone might be reasonable, I disagree with it but I can see the sense in it. But Trump is absolutely wrecking every relationship we have in the world, trading or otherwise, except with Russia, where he wants to remove sanctions and increase trade. Even if you disregard all…

do you legitimately believe this administration is just doing things at random with no plan or thought whatsoever?

It's clear as day and I'm incredibly skeptical of anyone that wants to claim otherwise and try and defend an emotional overgrown child's actions as rational.

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It would be one thing if there was a clear policy and adherence to it. In that case, you could discuss and reason in good faith. However there is no such indication that this decision is based on a considered policy. Trump's supporters would say that this is a result of not wanting the US being involved in foreign conflicts. That is a laudable goal, however that is not what is happening here. From the article > On Fr…

This is, unfortunately about one thing only: The Nobel Peace Prize. As Trump sees it, Zelenskyy is blocking Trump's peace prize by not agreeing to his (very bad) terms that are designed with one purpose in mind: Quickly freezing the conflict so that he can declare himself peacemaker and get his prize (because Obama got his 9 months into his term). The Russians have been grooming him since the 80s (along with many oth…

This is quite inconsistent because Trump conditioned the rare earths deal. If he wanted peace that badly, he wouldn’t be imposing that. Also, you don’t win a Peace Nobel by being a system spoiler like he is, creating instability left and right and branding a stick. That’s completely delusional, even for him. He goes around talking about annexing Canada, taking Greenland, and displacing Palestinians -- where’s the peace in that? Obama got his without doing shit, guess why: the Nobel Peace Prize is about who you upset, and I very much doubt the committee is fond of Trump, especially since they gave the prize to Obama.

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Is it really that difficult to believe? When you see a crazy person on the street yelling into the air, do you think that there must be someone there that he can see that you cannot?

Non-sequitur A crazy person yelling at nothing on the streets is not the same as a president with a suit and tie inside theWhiteHouse.

Sure. The other crazy idiot has power.

Re: U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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It would be one thing if there was a clear policy and adherence to it. In that case, you could discuss and reason in good faith. However there is no such indication that this decision is based on a considered policy. Trump's supporters would say that this is a result of not wanting the US being involved in foreign conflicts. That is a laudable goal, however that is not what is happening here. From the article > On Fr…

This is, unfortunately about one thing only: The Nobel Peace Prize. As Trump sees it, Zelenskyy is blocking Trump's peace prize by not agreeing to his (very bad) terms that are designed with one purpose in mind: Quickly freezing the conflict so that he can declare himself peacemaker and get his prize (because Obama got his 9 months into his term). The Russians have been grooming him since the 80s (along with many oth…

They gave Obama the peace prize before he had done anything. He even mentioned how weird it was in his speech.

I think we can say that the image of that prize is already in the mud, but of course giving it to Trump at this point would finish it off.

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The memorandum also said they would provide assistance, they are not keeping that promise.

The Budapest Memorandum basically only required the USA to bring any violations to the UN Security Council, which we did in 2022. I think we have a moral obligation to continue providing military aid and diplomatic assistance but there is no legal obligation to do anything more. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

That's right. And let's not forget that Europe and USA have been helping directly for a few years now anyway.

It's really disappointing how much misinformation gets reiterated on the Internet with regards to this memorandum, given how short the document is and how easy it is to verify its contents oneself.

PS. NATO's Article 5 is also worth a read. It does not guarantee what is commonly claimed.

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It would be one thing if there was a clear policy and adherence to it. In that case, you could discuss and reason in good faith. However there is no such indication that this decision is based on a considered policy. Trump's supporters would say that this is a result of not wanting the US being involved in foreign conflicts. That is a laudable goal, however that is not what is happening here. From the article > On Fr…

This is, unfortunately about one thing only: The Nobel Peace Prize. As Trump sees it, Zelenskyy is blocking Trump's peace prize by not agreeing to his (very bad) terms that are designed with one purpose in mind: Quickly freezing the conflict so that he can declare himself peacemaker and get his prize (because Obama got his 9 months into his term). The Russians have been grooming him since the 80s (along with many oth…

This is not about the novel peace price. This is about resources that the US wants. And it's about displaying power.

Don't make it anything less by talking about the novel prize.

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It's really tiring seeing the HN enlightened conservatives talking as if there is a coherent policy here. Withdrawing military support for Ukraine alone might be reasonable, I disagree with it but I can see the sense in it. But Trump is absolutely wrecking every relationship we have in the world, trading or otherwise, except with Russia, where he wants to remove sanctions and increase trade. Even if you disregard all…

There is a plan. Don't try to make him look like an idiot who has no clue. This is dangerous. It's calculated and everybody around him has to start understat his motivations to defend themselves.
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