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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yet, modern mobile app stores insist on a privacy policy even if you don't send data to a server owned by the app vendor.
Couldn't you add a privacy policy that states just that? "This application doesn't send/save/process/use any user data" for example, should be a valid privacy policy if that's true.
Yes. I’ve used that in my software. App stores just require a policy.
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#73Since Mozilla removed all mention of not selling my data in a recent PR and seems hellbent on an ad-based future, I've deleted my Firefox account and moved to Librewolf across my devices, and I'll encourage everyone I know to do the same. It's a sad end to my literal decades of support for them.
I use librewolf with privacy badger on macos (best browser) except when I have to run on battery - then its Orion (also the best browser).
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#74So my bank password is now licensed to mozilla? This is not great...
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#75Firefox's own about:license page (reachable through the about firefox dialog) says the sources are available under a wide variety of open source licenses. Does that mean only Mozilla distributed binaries are governed by the "Firefox Terms of Use"? If I download Firefox through my distro package manager, and the distro infrastructure compiled and distributed it undet the terms of the open source licenses, presumably I may use the software solely under the terms of those open source licenses.
Does Mozilla take this into account, or do they act as if they have the rights they assert in the ToU, regardless of what license a Firefox user is using the software under?
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#76So, what are the forks?
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#77I hate it when people get angry about this exact term of phrase. This is the legal definition of how user generated content works. What they're really saying is "if you upload anything to us, we're allowed to distribute it either back to you, or to other people". Yet another case of false panic.
The terms do not mention being limited to uploading stuff to Mozilla.
Exactly, I agree. In fact they declare : "You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet.
When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox."
They reserve the right to use every bit of information we type into the browser, which is pretty scary. It means they read and collect every bit of information we input in the browser ... think for example the text we input in a webmail app or in a home banking app ...
Time to switch to LibreWolf and Mullvad Browser.
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is really unfortunate. My Firefox install lately added links to what could be considered not so nice sites for grandmas like amazon.com and hotels.com to the start screen. It is quite clear they see it as their program not mine program. I dunno for how long I will stick to using the least worst alternative. To go for custom builds would be giving up on Mozilla. edit: Toned down language
> scam sites like amazon.com Since when is Amazon a scam site ? I don't like em' either, but hyperbole doesn't help. For what it's worth, it can be removed in about 4 seconds.
Amazon has been a scam site for years.
Counterfeit products sold by Amazon.
Most reviews are purchased.
Stolen product pages.
Product pages where the reviews are for totally different products
If you report any of these things to Amazon, they do nothing about it.
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#79Disclaiming ownership is not enough. Making the supposed license that users supposedly grant more limited would be a step. Yes I saw it has some qualifiers but they are not protective enough of the user.
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#80An interesting implication of this is that it would point to Firefox being considered a service from Mozilla (hence why they need a license to facilitate your use of the program). If we now look at their "Acceptable Use Policy", we can find this: > You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to [...] Upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that includes graphic depictions of sexuality or violenc…
I don't read it the way you say. The more restrictive terms are for use of services. If you use firefox, you have to agree not to use the Mozilla services for the prohibited categories, but there are many uses of the browser that are not using Mozilla services.
If you accessed graphic content using the browser, you are not violating the terms unless you put that content up on a mozilla service somewhere. The obvious issue would be some type of bookmark sync. If you bookmarked a graphic url you might violate the terms when it syncs to mozilla, but even then it would be hard to argue that you are granting access to your future self, so unless you used a bookmark sharing service provided by mozilla, I would say its a gray area. So disable bookmark sync. I typically disable all external services in my browser so this would not be relevant.
But my point is that even though you have to agree to the use policy when downloading the browser, it doesn't mean it governs all use of the browser.
IANAL