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Post by palmotea »

slowmovintarget wrote: post #38
johnnyanmac wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he did say this day one. And despite feelinig like eternity, we're only entering week 5. This would be considered "fast" by any other administraion. But yes. I remember when Americans used to care about politicians creating American jobs as a populist stance. Those days feel like decades ago now with people celebrating the literal slashing of government jobs (who surprise, is the biggest US employer).

Most Americans care about creating American jobs in the private sector not about growing the government by creating more government jobs. More Americans are employed by industry and small businesses (as it should be) than by government. Why would you think there needs to be one giant employer instead of a healthy market of many? Stats: The Bureau of Labor and Statistics puts the total number of Americans employed by…

> Most Americans care about creating American jobs in the private sector not about growing the government by creating more government jobs. More Americans are employed by industry and small businesses (as it should be) than by government.

Honestly, as a recovering libertarian, I'm actually pretty enthusiastic about creating government-run services. I'd like to see far more of them, and thus far more people employed by government. For instance: I'd much rather use a weather app put out by NOAA (if only such a thing existed) than any of the private alternatives (whose business model is really to secretly invade your privacy and sell your data).

> Why would you think there needs to be one giant employer instead of a healthy market of many?

"One giant employer" is a ridiculous straw-man, but I've come to realize the market isn't a panacea. And the "optimal market solution" can actually be pretty user/customer/worker hostile.

I actually work at a private business that could plausibly be a government-run service, and I think it'd actually be pretty good for everyone if it were converted into one (so long as the government is not run by anyone with a last name of Musk).

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by palmotea »

daft_pink wrote: post #66

Probably an unpopular opinion, but defending Taiwan was always a bluff. Americans aren’t going to die en masse over some random island in the pacific. We will heavily sanction China and use economic tools, but we aren’t going to start World War 3 over some small island in the pacific.

> We will heavily sanction China and use economic tools

Which will be pointless and fail, especially against a country like China.

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Post by disqard »

daft_pink wrote: post #66

Probably an unpopular opinion, but defending Taiwan was always a bluff. Americans aren’t going to die en masse over some random island in the pacific. We will heavily sanction China and use economic tools, but we aren’t going to start World War 3 over some small island in the pacific.

You might be right now in your judgement of what Americans are willing to die for.

However, I'm old enough to recall when America was convinced by Rumsfeld et. al. to send US soldiers in harms way -- over 4000 of them died in Iraq -- for some obscenely lucrative oil contracts.

That qualifies as "die en masse", and it was over some really flimsy pretext, which was later proved to be completely false.

Re: Trump will kill CHIPS Act by gutting NIST employees

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Post by kccoder »

insane_dreamer wrote: post #43

This one really doesn't make sense if you actually want to MAGA, since advanced chips is a critical area for the US to maintain leadership. China is meanwhile pouring many $billions into catching up. The Chinese can't believe their good luck. No need for them to do anything -- just let the US self-destruct.

> This one really doesn't make sense if you actually want to MAGA

They don't. It was always a lie. The want to make their own lives great(er) at the expense of the rest of the human species.

Way too many people were somehow conned by an expert conman who had previously conned them. Short memories and wishful thinking is a dangerous combo.

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Post by kccoder »

deadbabe wrote: post #20

I don’t get the doom and gloom, isn’t this just taking us back to before the CHIPS act, 2022? Weren’t we fine then?

That is a befuddling naive take. Why make any progress at any point if we were fine before that progress? As many things should be static as possible, no matter what might happen in the future? Situations change.

I seem to recall a presidential candidate recently claiming that they wanted to bring manufacturing back to the states. Chip manufacturing seems like it would fall under the category of manufacturing.

At this point we're just throwing away money already spent, which doesn't seem particularly efficient, which this administration is obsessed with, given the creation of an entirely new department/not-really-a-department to increase efficiency.

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Post by pfannkuchen »

throw0101c wrote: post #56
pfannkuchen wrote: post #15

Delete subsidy carrot, replace with tariff stick?

> Delete subsidy carrot, replace with tariff stick? Tariffs are both subsidies and taxes at the same time; see "Tariffs Give U.S. Steelmakers a Green Light to Lift Prices": > Executives from U.S. steel companies were enthusiastic backers of the 2018 tariffs and have urged Trump to deploy them again in his second term. They have called for the elimination of tariff exemptions and duty-free import quotas, saying those…

Tariffs are massively simpler though and less prone to corruption. The latter is I think the reason we hear so much screeching about them.

Right now our industries are competing with slave labor and lax environmental controls. If we don’t want either of those things here, we can’t allow groups who do those things to sell into our market freely.

The idea that we tax our people and hand the money to our companies so they can compete with polluting slave labor is incredibly more complicated than just putting up barriers to entering our market. Not to mention the fact that the pollution in China et al affects us here also.

In my opinion we should just not trade with countries who don’t have labor and environmental standards at parity with ours. Tariffs are the next best thing.

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Post by hackingonempty »

palmotea wrote: post #71
slowmovintarget wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most Americans care about creating American jobs in the private sector not about growing the government by creating more government jobs. More Americans are employed by industry and small businesses (as it should be) than by government. Why would you think there needs to be one giant employer instead of a healthy market of many? Stats: The Bureau of Labor and Statistics puts the total number of Americans employed by…

> Most Americans care about creating American jobs in the private sector not about growing the government by creating more government jobs. More Americans are employed by industry and small businesses (as it should be) than by government. Honestly, as a recovering libertarian, I'm actually pretty enthusiastic about creating government-run services. I'd like to see far more of them, and thus far more people employed b…

> I'd much rather use a weather app put out by NOAA (if only such a thing existed) Why not put relevant links to weather.gov on your homescreen or in your browser bookmarks?

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Post by righthand »

yieldcrv wrote: post #63
righthand wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s my exact point. The population isn’t all Chinese or considers themselves China. Taipei itself is divided into Japanese, Korean, and Chinese areas all with a distinct culture. There is also an evolving Taiwanese culture. The government is the Republic of China and is a completely different government. It broke away because it does not consider itself China or invest in those values. The island and nation are Ta…

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I highly disagree with a lot of this as you are intentionally downplaying my responses. I would suggest you go visit Taiwan and see how the people there feel about.

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Post by abenga »

scarab92 wrote: post #52
ChrisArchitect wrote: post #13

A bit earlier including a NIST staffer weighing in: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43106478

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> Trump won due to the public backlash from social policies that originated within the humanities departments

No, he won because people believed silly lies.

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