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Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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It's not though. The mythos of the liberals is way more personnalized, usually assigning moral failings to people who disagree eith them, something like "those people are dumb enough to be manipulated, we ought to explain thing slower/better" "we are on the reason's side". The fondamental attribution error is probably the fallacy for which liberals (authoritarians liberals especially) are the most susceptible to. For…

Those sound like enemies within, but what do I know? Liberals / leftists / whatever have non-personal internal enemies (white supremacists, ultra right wing, nationalists, etc), and right wing have external enemies as well as entirely personal internal enemies too. Right wing certainly talks about moral failings. Seems really difficult to quantify to the extent you can just say they don't. We can all come up with exa…

My bad, i shouldn't have used "left" or "right", it has different meaning in different part of the world.

I'm not sating paranoia isn't present everywhere, i'm saying one one kind of political ideology use it as a building block of their ideology, and it is fascism.

"We are (culturally/genetically) the best, but right now others seems better/won/took advantage of us. The only reason we are not at the top is because we have internal traitors (jew/blochevics/unionist/homosexuals/whatever float your boat). We have to eliminate those"

Each time something like this is uttered to justify taking power away from court/parliaments, you'll be looking at fascism. Which can be used with capitalism or with communism (as production methods). The "internal enemy" as a reason to justify taking power away from the court/ignoring human right/taking power away from parliement is fascistic. [0]

That's mainly how i differentiate the extreme centre from fascists, their justification. Von Papen/Schleifer removed power from the Weimar parliament because "people are dumb and did not understood how intelligent we are, so we can safely ignore their vote", then Hindeburg installed Hitler, who did the same thing, but stronger, and justified it with the "internal traitor" myth.

[0] Trotsky called that "bonapartism", and argued that Stalinism was another heir of that ideology, but here, i think he is simply wrong (as usual), although it is interesting (where lie the fascism roots?). And now, writing about it, i will have to re-read him and think about it more, he might have a point, is fascism an evolution of bonpartism, with a more rigid hierarchical order? :/ fml.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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I didn't say it wasn't.

Creating a false equivalency between intolerance of the intolerant and intolerance of others / other groups is a key rhetorical device for fascists. Even if you've walked to this position through "logic" and a concept of perfectly spherical human beings [0], with no steps through fascism, you should be aware of how this position is used by fascists to give themselves a veneer of rationality while painting their oppon…

I didn't create a false equivalence.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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The threat that I worry the most about vis-a-vis America is not Russia, it’s not China, it’s not any other external actor. What I worry about is the threat from within. The retreat of America from some of its most fundamental values: values shared with Europe. Free speech, I fear, is in retreat.

Looks like the old "they're a private company, they can do what they want" chestnut is coming back around. Who could possibly have predicted this would ever happen?

Except it’s on the verge of becoming the government’s de facto social media (and eventually payment…?) platform.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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I didn't say it wasn't.

Creating a false equivalency between intolerance of the intolerant and intolerance of others / other groups is a key rhetorical device for fascists. Even if you've walked to this position through "logic" and a concept of perfectly spherical human beings [0], with no steps through fascism, you should be aware of how this position is used by fascists to give themselves a veneer of rationality while painting their oppon…

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Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Creating a false equivalency between intolerance of the intolerant and intolerance of others / other groups is a key rhetorical device for fascists. Even if you've walked to this position through "logic" and a concept of perfectly spherical human beings [0], with no steps through fascism, you should be aware of how this position is used by fascists to give themselves a veneer of rationality while painting their oppon…

I didn't create a false equivalence.

Ok this time I'll put as much effort into my reply as you did:

Yes you did.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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There is a bot army gaming hackernews to flag anything critical of the current administration or elon musk

You guys really need to get a grip with the conspiracy theories. It's possible that people don't want the political content on here because it will destroy what this place is all about - civil, intelligent discourse. Polarizing topics tend to uproot that. I was one of the people who would flag any and all political content up until recently, when I started to see how out of control this administration is getting. A l…

What is political about showing that Grok 3 is censoring? A common theme here is to leak system prompts, show the bias of DeepSeek and talk about OpenAI scraping the internet and then selling it back to us.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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I didn't create a false equivalence.

Ok this time I'll put as much effort into my reply as you did: Yes you did.

They actually didn't and I don't know why you think they did.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Ok this time I'll put as much effort into my reply as you did: Yes you did.

They actually didn't and I don't know why you think they did.

>Seems like a typical mythos of most political movements these days, doesn't it? E.g., "the far-right is our greatest threat".

>Though I'm sure right-wing groups believe themselves to be tolerant of one-another and their allies and others with similar aims, and that groups that oppose them are intolerant and therefore must be met with intolerance.

>Other side will call them intolerant racists too, it is also pretty clear to them.

These would be the statements where they were creating a false equivalence. The things being compared are not equivalent but they are given rhetorical treatment to make them seem equivalent.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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They actually didn't and I don't know why you think they did.

>Seems like a typical mythos of most political movements these days, doesn't it? E.g., "the far-right is our greatest threat". >Though I'm sure right-wing groups believe themselves to be tolerant of one-another and their allies and others with similar aims, and that groups that oppose them are intolerant and therefore must be met with intolerance. >Other side will call them intolerant racists too, it is also pretty c…

From what I can tell, they simply made an observation. You're the one applying a value judgment to their statements. Pointing out that different tribes use rhetoric to "other" outsiders isn't creating a false equivalence.

Re: Grok 3 claims its system prompt includes censorship about Musk/Trump

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Looks like the old "they're a private company, they can do what they want" chestnut is coming back around. Who could possibly have predicted this would ever happen?

Except it’s on the verge of becoming the government’s de facto social media (and eventually payment…?) platform.

There's n except about it. It was previously on the verge of becoming the governments's de facto censorship and propaganda platform. But apparently it was a private company and could do what it wanted.

People really should have thought a bit harder about that one.

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