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Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by huijzer »

seydor wrote: post #41

> OpenEuroLLM has a total budget of €37.4 million of which €20.6 million comes from the Digital Europe Programme. So on average 1.87 million per participating institution which might amount to funding ~5 PhD students per institution. Not bad for a training program. The project has been awarded the Sovereignity Seal, an EU mark of Excellence before it even started. This is truly in accordance with european values, whe…

> This is truly in accordance with european values, where we reward participation and proclamation.

Yes. In my experience the government is happy with "looks good doesn't work" as long as it truly looks good.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by simplro6 »

From the web site: Open, compliant, diverse, yada yada.

In real life: you either train your LLM on Anna's archive, or get left behind with sub-par model

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by rafram »

coalbin wrote: post #42
rafram wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Press release https://openai.com/news/company-announcements/ > a consortium of 20 research institutions https://aimagazine.com/machine-learning/google-invests-in-ai... > awarded the STEP (Strategic Technologies for Europe Platform) seal https://openai.com/index/strengthening-americas-ai-leadershi... > Lots of grandiose self-congratulations https://x.com/sama/status/1891533802779910471 > All with nothing to run, dow…

Maybe you can't download their weights, but you can literally try out their products right from their homepage. What's your point?

OK, if you prefer: https://web.archive.org/web/20151211215507/https://openai.co...

It's normal to announce things long before they're actually available to end users. This is not some unique evil of the EU bureaucracy - if anything, it's very corporate of them.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by Legend2440 »

rafram wrote: post #28
dkyc wrote: post #3

But can I run it on Gaia-X? This really reads like a parody. Press release, “a consortium of 20 research institutions”, “awarded the STEP (Strategic Technologies for Europe Platform) seal”. Lots of grandiose self-congratulations. All with nothing to run, download or try of course.

> Press release https://openai.com/news/company-announcements/ > a consortium of 20 research institutions https://aimagazine.com/machine-learning/google-invests-in-ai... > awarded the STEP (Strategic Technologies for Europe Platform) seal https://openai.com/index/strengthening-americas-ai-leadershi... > Lots of grandiose self-congratulations https://x.com/sama/status/1891533802779910471 > All with nothing to run, dow…

OpenAI has a real, groundbreaking product.

This has... a statement of intent to try to copy that product. Not remotely the same.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by ta12653421 »

seydor wrote: post #41

> OpenEuroLLM has a total budget of €37.4 million of which €20.6 million comes from the Digital Europe Programme. So on average 1.87 million per participating institution which might amount to funding ~5 PhD students per institution. Not bad for a training program. The project has been awarded the Sovereignity Seal, an EU mark of Excellence before it even started. This is truly in accordance with european values, whe…

for 1.87m per project, you get in EU rather 15 - 20 people :) (salaries are low here)

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by papertokyo »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #31
woah wrote: post #10

The three goals featured prominently above the fold are: > truly open > including data, documentation, training and testing code, and evaluation metrics; including community involvement > compliant > under EU regulations, OpenEuroLLM will provide a series of transparent and performant LLMs > diverse > for European languages and other socially and economically interesting ones, preserving linguistic and cultural diver…

That note about EU regulations may also be dangerous. There is an increasing trend of European leaders supporting censorship of speech, on weak justifications like misinformation that are applied very aggressively. There are even videos of police showing up at people’s homes in some countries, over tweets they made. I don’t have faith that these European LLMs will be trustworthy as a result.

Then you should also question what flavor of censorship and bias US-made LLMs have.

Also, if someone says something that could threaten my safety (either directly or through inciting others) I would very much like them to get a visit from the police. This situation is so easily avoided by not being a dick to people.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by amrrs »

It's funny they don't have Hugging Face as their Partner. Literally, the biggest face of Open LLMs sitting right in Europe, but somehow it's not a partner.

Re: OpenEuroLLM

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Post by cyberax »

baggy_trough wrote: post #44
cyberax wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe is moving at the speed of bureaucracy. It's slow, but inexorable. And honestly, people don't _want_ the European bureaucracy to move fast. Case in point: the USA.

The spending of money is inexorable, but little else is achieved (unless you count blocking productive people).

European projects are often long and ponderous, but they do deliver. There's a long history of state-sponsored academic collaborations, like the venerable CERN.
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