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NLRB acting general counsel rescinds non-compete labor policy

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Re: NLRB acting general counsel rescinds non-compete labor policy

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Does this matter? Corporations are on notice that this pendulum may swing the other way in four years (and remains permanently stuck the other way in certain states). They might just decide to steer clear of this minefield.

Big companies already just ignore labor law and either hope litigation is too difficult for their employees or that the fines will be skimpy enough that it's worthwhile anyway.

We need stronger enforcement all around

Re: NLRB acting general counsel rescinds non-compete labor policy

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I'm glad my state took action on this topic. IMO noncompete clauses have no place in a free flowing market.

But think of the "employer community". How can they punish employees for leaving now?

You joke, but that's exactly who this government are thinking of. We had the best NLRB for workers in decades and a spell of full employment, and they're now trying to roll that back as best they can while also deporting part of the labor force.

Re: NLRB acting general counsel rescinds non-compete labor policy

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Non-competes are interesting. I don't like them. At all. Yet, from personal experience, I fully understand why companies might consider them to be important. Here's my experience, going back about two decades:

I had been doing all the selling for my tech startup, this, on top of handling all product engineering, manufacturing and, well, everything else. It was time to get a sales person to take-on that role.

I put it out there that I was looking for someone. I interviewed many. Most with a good deal of experience in the industry. One of my resellers called and asked if I would consider hiring his outgoing marketing guy. Zero experience in sales. He also lacked in-depth domain knowledge. Tabula rasa, if you will.

Well, I did. And I also paid him above average as well as commission and benefits.

What followed was approximately a year of intense training to get him up to speed on not just our products, but the science and technology of the relevant domain. We sold to very technical people, mostly engineers, so you had to be know what you were talking about.

A bit over six months after "graduating" he took a job as sales manager with one of my largest competitors. He probably got a nice boost in pay. He used me --quite literally, me, because I was the only one who could train him-- to learn and go from his resume being utterly irrelevant for the position, to being valuable enough to hire.

This wasn't about money. He was making double what our engineers were making. He told me why he did it: He did not want to work for a startup. He wanted to work for an established company.

That absolutely fried my brain. Of course, there was no non-compete. The investment in time and money to get this person up to speed easily exceeded a million dollars at the time. Him leaving also caused damage across more than one front. First, I had to replace him. That took time and money. Second, he took everything I taught him and everything he knew about us and used it against us in his new role working for a competitor. I don't know if I can quantify the damage twenty years later.

The consequence of that one event was simple: I have never again hired someone that required a significant amount of training. Nope. Not doing that shit again. They can go learn somewhere else. Because there are people out there who will gladly use you to move a few steps up the ladder and not have any sense of loyalty or gratitude at all. In a self-funded startup you sometimes do things like pay salaries using credit cards when things are rough (which I have done a couple of time). In other words, this can be very personal.

Again, I do not personally like non-competes and I would not advise anyone to sign one. In fact, I recently did exactly this with my son, who got an offer from --oddly enough-- a YC-funded company who wanted him to sign a non-compete. I told him "fuck no".

However, as I said, I fully understand why some businesses feel there's a need for it. My solution is to never again be "Professor Martin" (a term that stuck in my head when a friend warned me not to do that). My guess is that lots of companies avoid hiring inexperienced because the cost to train isn't trivial and being used as a stepping stone in this way is more costly than just the raw financial cost of training.

Re: NLRB acting general counsel rescinds non-compete labor policy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please cite.

I’m not the person you are replying to, but California had a ballot initiative that would finally eliminated slavery in California in 2024. It failed. If you think the US completely banned slavery, or that slavery is unpopular, you’re misinformed.

Well that was about forced labor in prisons which is a bit different.

Re: NLRB acting general counsel rescinds non-compete labor policy

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not the person you are replying to, but California had a ballot initiative that would finally eliminated slavery in California in 2024. It failed. If you think the US completely banned slavery, or that slavery is unpopular, you’re misinformed.

Well that was about forced labor in prisons which is a bit different.

Restricting the slave owner to the state (+ leasing to businesses) does not make it not slavery. I can't believe I have to say this.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, any R president would have done this. The pendulum goes back and fourth…

Many Republican Presidential candidates campaigned on promising this, but in office they are least tried to govern. The voters got fed up and voted for someone who genuinely did want to destroy it.

Disagree, I don’t think Trump campaigned on abolishing OSHA, for example. I had people telling me not to take some of his more “out there” statements too seriously. Others telling me democrats were inciting division for simply pointing out that Trump seemed inclined to destroy the federal government — not to mention the lies about Project 2025.

My point is that while many like these changes, others definitely didn’t expect it to go this far. So let’s not act like most Americans actually want this.

Re: NLRB acting general counsel rescinds non-compete labor policy

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I'm not sure why companies would want a patchwork of regulations across 50 different jurisdictions versus normalized national regulations. Non-competes are anti-competitive nonsense, which is why the oligarchs love them.

It’s regulatory capture for large well resourced companies - keeps the smaller players off the field and unable to scale.

Nothing says anti-establishment like entrenching the existing establishment of massive corporations

Re: NLRB acting general counsel rescinds non-compete labor policy

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Non-competes are interesting. I don't like them. At all. Yet, from personal experience, I fully understand why companies might consider them to be important. Here's my experience, going back about two decades: I had been doing all the selling for my tech startup, this, on top of handling all product engineering, manufacturing and, well, everything else. It was time to get a sales person to take-on that role. I put it…

Were all your employees blank slates when they joined, or did they "use" their previous employers to gain the skills required to become hirable by you?

If your training is so valuable, why aren't you charging for it? I'm sure your competition would be willing to pay lot's of money to have their people upskilled from 0.

Re: NLRB acting general counsel rescinds non-compete labor policy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If companies are implementing unfair policies like non-competes then the invisible hand of the free market will cause employees to leave those companies or never join them! I mean it's really not very likely that the 2-3 CEOs we currently have for each industry now could possibly find time to meet in a room together in order to pad their pockets with billions more and help squash further competition. /s

Of course the will not, as it will be illegal. Nobody is stupid enough to write an email admitting to doing it. /s

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Re: NLRB acting general counsel rescinds non-compete labor policy

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I'm glad my state took action on this topic. IMO noncompete clauses have no place in a free flowing market.

But think of the "employer community". How can they punish employees for leaving now?

More easily now that the nrlb rescinded those bans.
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