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The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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I feel like table top stuff isn't a good fit with the heavy weight of the apple headset when you have to tilt your head down, party from the fairly low vertical field of view.

Wish it had a hook so that you could tie some helium balloons to it. Or springy cable from the ceiling.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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Think I laughed out loud when they showed the table top NBA in the launch video because the exact same concept was in the launch videos for at least oculus and magic leap, maybe more headsets but it’s always been a fake concept that feels a bit like a solution in search of a problem. Fair play to them finally making the eternal vaporware demo real. Fascinating seeing how an Apple launch plays out when the 3rd party d…

There was an old Oculus app where you could watch NBA games in VR, except it was from the perspective of 3D camera rigs that were set up above the backboards. The company behind this app, NextVR, was acquired by Apple in 2020. (Meta has subsequently made different arrangements for broadcasting NBA games in VR.)

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

#73
VR and Sports together certainly brings out the cynicism! Seriously tho, as with all VR/AR, this is _extremely cool_, but the practical reality is that in order to enjoy this with a group of friends we'd need ~8k in clunky heavy hardware on our heads. Cheaper to just go to an NBA game.

One could imagine this tech being used to rent out local gymnasiums with movie-theater-showing-a-3d-film style glasses so that every small town could go to an NBA game together. The blocker is making the headset cheap enough that you could have two thousand of them together in a room without the room being wealthy enough to have just flown to an actual NBA game in the first place.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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> Would you prefer to watch your sport of choice in 180-degree immersive video, or as a 2D flatscreen view with a tabletop 3D representation? I think for people who are analyzing the game: Coaches, players, opponents, dedicated fans, historians, the tabletop view will be priceless. I also suspect that the tabletop view will become a tool in the editing room. For casual sports fans, a much more immersive experience wi…

Oddly for me, radio has been the most immersive media for live sports. Maybe because it is forced to prioritize audio…humans dance to sound not pictures. Not to say I seek out radio or that 3d doesn’t seem cool. Only that the effects of sound penetrate me in a way that visual stimulus doesn’t.

I have aphantasia… so audio sports broadcasts are awful for me.

Radio sports sound like a long string of facts that I need to remember but can get overwhelmed with.

I’m jealous that radio is immersive for you!

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, because no one is going to spend the money to add another 30-60 cameras to the NBA broadcast platform to cater to fewer than 100K Vision Pro users. Even Quest's 10M actives doesn't come close to warranting that kind of financial outlay.

Ok, it's totally technically feasible today, but the return is not there given the lack of viewership. If you can expand a little on the 30-60 cameras so I can understand better, is that to stitch together the various views when a AVP user moves their head? Or were you using that number to represent the number of viewpoints on the floor? Like if it was only one view at the scorer's table, do I understand you would ne…

The NBA uses 30-60 cameras to give you a truly immersive view with all of the angles in high definition. This "VR" app uses one view and a bunch of shitty animation. If the NBA was going to truly embrace the Vision Pro, they'd need to replace most of all of their stadium rigs with new gear that could feed both the live TV broadcast and the server farm crunching it for VR. Not doing so means fewer high quality angles and more "fake" bits, less dynamism, and more low-poly, laggy garbage like this demoware that, despite claiming to be immersive, simply cannot compete on immersive-ness with boring old 2D broadcasts.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

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post #73

VR and Sports together certainly brings out the cynicism! Seriously tho, as with all VR/AR, this is _extremely cool_, but the practical reality is that in order to enjoy this with a group of friends we'd need ~8k in clunky heavy hardware on our heads. Cheaper to just go to an NBA game . One could imagine this tech being used to rent out local gymnasiums with movie-theater-showing-a-3d-film style glasses so that every…

Well the more serious problem is that a suitable 3D 360 camera for the Vision Pro doesn’t actually exist yet.

And even the few 3D 180 cameras are extremely bulky, expensive, and not even taking full advantage of every pixel.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get court side view if it’s 3d footage it would be immersive. It’s the tiny players running around the coffee table that’s technically impressive but conceptually baffling why you’d want that.

I think the missing context from the post (as it calls out) is that the intended experience is that you have the diorama view at the same time as the actual footage, so it's showing you where everyone is offscreen.

When you're not "inside the action" of the live TV broadcast, you're not going to turn to a low-poly video game map because the live broadcast will give you HD wide shots better than this tabletop garbage. No one wants to swivel their head back and forth with 1.5 pounds of dork box cantilevered off their face for an experience less immersive than the live broadcast and offering zero value add.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

#78
post #18

I'm very curious what they're using on the capture side for this. How are they keying out the rest of the stadium? What's the camera setup? I'm not a huge sports fan, so I honestly couldn't say whether I'd want to watch a game like this - but I love the concept. From a technology perspective it's great to see them trying new things. I will say that 180° video - the other way to content in VR - makes content feel very…

Stadiums/arenas are using more and more cameras through out that some very cool/interesting things are coming from it. One of them is a Matrix bullet-time style ability for highlighting plays. The MLB places ads for the TV audience that the people in the stadium do not see. Same for the boards around a football pitch. There's other tech going on specifically for sports analytics using 8K cameras that analyzes each pl…

30-60 cameras and expert producers with years of experience broadcasting live NBA games. The NBA will NEVER upgrade their nation-wide broadcast kit, billions of dollars, for about 100K strap-on facial PC users. It's just not gonna happen.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

#79

Think I laughed out loud when they showed the table top NBA in the launch video because the exact same concept was in the launch videos for at least oculus and magic leap, maybe more headsets but it’s always been a fake concept that feels a bit like a solution in search of a problem. Fair play to them finally making the eternal vaporware demo real. Fascinating seeing how an Apple launch plays out when the 3rd party d…

I’m so happy to see the side effects of Apple pissing on developers for so long that large caps pull out and small business and individual developers don’t want to touch the stuff.

Re: The NBA Apple Vision Pro app now has a 3D tabletop view

#80
post #18

I'm very curious what they're using on the capture side for this. How are they keying out the rest of the stadium? What's the camera setup? I'm not a huge sports fan, so I honestly couldn't say whether I'd want to watch a game like this - but I love the concept. From a technology perspective it's great to see them trying new things. I will say that 180° video - the other way to content in VR - makes content feel very…

They could be using the existing motion capture technology used for sports analytics [1]. The Australian Open did something similar this year to convert skeletal tracking data into animation to get around broadcasting rights issues [2]. I would bet small money that the Open was using the same Hawk-Eye tracking system the NBA is, because both articles mention "12 cameras and 29 tracking points in the skeleton."

I don't care so much about the tabletop view shown, but if we get to the point where I can choose my viewpoint from anywhere on the court I'd be excited. I want to pause the game and rewind and watch Jayson Tatum's jab steps up close, to get a better sense of how he fakes out the opposing player. Put me in the action.

1. https://www.sportsvideo.org/2023/03/09/nba-taps-sonys-hawk-e... 2. https://www.npr.org/2025/01/17/nx-s1-5261006/australian-open...

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