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Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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Well, in this case it seems like there already is an official Flatpak, but Fedora is overriding it with their own, which is of lower quality. The problem was already solved, unless Fedora is claiming that their Flatpak is better in some specific way.

From what I can tell reading the pagure.io thread ( https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/463#comment-95541... ) the claim from Fedora is that is that OBS is using an EOL qt. It's hard to follow exactly what the issues are with the Fedora flatpak but I can only assume they forcefully updated qt and that's what caused the issues (just a guess from the context). There's a lot of interesting debate in the linked th…

> the claim from Fedora is that is that OBS is using an EOL qt.

what's amazing with this is that if for instance OBS had written their own toolkit from scratch just for the app, which by a stroke of luck ended up being exactly the same code than the Qt version they're using and which solves the use case they have - maybe it would be OBSObject or OBSString instead of QObject / QString, then this entire issue would not exist as no one would think of saying that their implementation is "EOL" since it's part of their app even if the actual GUI implementation files may not have been touched for 5 years.

Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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This seems like a flashback to the xscreensaver fights with Debian of yore, given that the entire fight seems to distill to "OBS is shipping EOL Qt because of unfixed regressions in newer Qt, Fedora views shipping EOL Qt as unjustifiable neglect and repackaged it with newer Qt, which, as described, breaks things." [1] For those who don't have that in their context - jwz got very upset at people reporting bugs against…

Don't link to this guy's site. He has a serious personal problem with every reader of HN (including the vast majority he's never met and knows nothing about) and serves an NSFW image to anybody that has this site in the referrer request header.

Honestly it's refreshing to see someone in tech stand up to the VC-only vision of what tech can be. I still enjoy HN, but got a good laugh at image that popped up and agreed he has a point.

Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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This seems like a flashback to the xscreensaver fights with Debian of yore, given that the entire fight seems to distill to "OBS is shipping EOL Qt because of unfixed regressions in newer Qt, Fedora views shipping EOL Qt as unjustifiable neglect and repackaged it with newer Qt, which, as described, breaks things." [1] For those who don't have that in their context - jwz got very upset at people reporting bugs against…

And Quod Libet vs. Gentoo (2006):

- https://bugs.gentoo.org/101619

- https://bugs.gentoo.org/124595

And Quod Libet vs. Debian (2007):

- https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=421167

- https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=477454

Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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Why do you need an article? Just find a link to some page on http://jwz.org somewhere on news.ycombinator.com, and click it. Note that you will get a (really quite tame) NSFW image. Said image will explain jwz's feelings regarding Hacker News.

Presumably they are looking for more than the 2 lines in the image that don't explain anything about why .

The lines do explain why, from the horse's mouth. I don't know what value-add you'd expect from an "article" - an interview with jwz?

Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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This seems like a flashback to the xscreensaver fights with Debian of yore, given that the entire fight seems to distill to "OBS is shipping EOL Qt because of unfixed regressions in newer Qt, Fedora views shipping EOL Qt as unjustifiable neglect and repackaged it with newer Qt, which, as described, breaks things." [1] For those who don't have that in their context - jwz got very upset at people reporting bugs against…

This doesn’t seem similar at all. Debian didn’t break xscreensaver, they merely shipped a two-year old version at some point, in line with their stable releases. This is unlike how Fedora apparently broke their own OBS repackage.

Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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Don't link to this guy's site. He has a serious personal problem with every reader of HN (including the vast majority he's never met and knows nothing about) and serves an NSFW image to anybody that has this site in the referrer request header.

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Oh wow, love it, a testacle in a teacup, dudes just made my day!

Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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Presumably they are looking for more than the 2 lines in the image that don't explain anything about why .

The lines do explain why, from the horse's mouth. I don't know what value-add you'd expect from an "article" - an interview with jwz?

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Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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This seems like a flashback to the xscreensaver fights with Debian of yore, given that the entire fight seems to distill to "OBS is shipping EOL Qt because of unfixed regressions in newer Qt, Fedora views shipping EOL Qt as unjustifiable neglect and repackaged it with newer Qt, which, as described, breaks things." [1] For those who don't have that in their context - jwz got very upset at people reporting bugs against…

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Re: The OBS Project is threatening Fedora Linux with legal action

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Does anyone have more context for the name-calling and poor communication from the Fedora team? Seems like pretty poor behaviour from them if true

This thread is giant, but I feel like it could come from here (and further responses): https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/463#comment-95541...

These two comments stand out to me as inappropriate (directed at OBS).

> keeping up with runtime updates is one of the most basic expectations of a maintainer, and I suspect it's a sign there may be other problems as well.

> I won't mince words: allowing the runtime to go EOL is unacceptable and indicates terrible maintainership.

I don't use Fedora but I do use OBS… on Mac, because OBS is hands-down the most popular application for streaming on any platform. It's crazy that OBS works great on Mac, works great on Windows, works great on Linux if using the OBS Flatpak, and when the Fedora-packaged-flatpak breaks and this Fedora guy starts saying that this is indicative that "there may be other problems".

If OBS isn't good enough for Fedora to ship a working version, then show me the streaming software that is.

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