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Apparently Yelp has a no-fly list

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Re: Apparently Yelp has a no-fly list

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Post by dasil003 »

mbateman wrote: post #13
chriszf wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had another 9 students inside, and the talk was worthwhile for them. Furthermore, the problem was not with the organizers (who were generous and accommodating) or the speakers (who were similarly generous), but with the venue. Nothing would have been solved by protesting: I'm not important enough that anyone would have noticed.

You would have demonstrated that moral authority is on the side of the student who was wronged. It doesn't matter whether or not they change their policy, what matters is that you went along with excluding a student for no reason. EDIT: Sorry, this came off a bit too personally. I'm a teacher too and I got angry when I read this story. I'll just say more generically that it is easily possible (and justifiable) for a…

I understand why you disagree, but I don't think there's an obvious right answer here, it sucks either way. I don't think you're in a position to pass judgement unless you were actually there and knew the students personally. What if this would have made the rest of the class resent the one student? That would be a far more damaging outcome in my mind.

Re: Apparently Yelp has a no-fly list

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Post by morsch »

mnicole wrote: post #52
mbateman wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would have demonstrated that moral authority is on the side of the student who was wronged. It doesn't matter whether or not they change their policy, what matters is that you went along with excluding a student for no reason. EDIT: Sorry, this came off a bit too personally. I'm a teacher too and I got angry when I read this story. I'll just say more generically that it is easily possible (and justifiable) for a…

I don't get the teacher-blaming here. Imagine you're a student in that class; you're stoked to see this talk, but one of your classmates can't get in. You feel terrible but you've been looking forward to this. If the teacher decides to "stick it to the man", you and 8 other of your classmates miss out and possibly become bitter towards the excluded one because of Yelp's security measures. His having to direct her to…

What kind of students are we talking about here? I assume they're not explaining how Pinterest is scaling to eighth-graders. If we're talking about adults here -- and apparently just 10 of them --, why not let them quickly huddle together and figure it out?

Re: Apparently Yelp has a no-fly list

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Post by Vivtek »

pyoung wrote: post #60
briandear wrote: post #3

Yelp reviews are a big point of anger from many business owners and there's some valid security risks. However a name based policy is rather dumb.

Although if you really think about it, what other option does yelp have. It's not like yelp is going to get the NSA to do a bunch of wiretapping, or hire sleuths to dig up the social security numbers of the irate business owners. If they think there are serious security risks, then it is prudent for them to be extra cautious, and they have to work within the means that are available to them (i.e. no NSA type stuff, j…

Although if you really think about it, what other option does yelp have.

Have a competently professional security policy with recourse to appeal at the door if they're going to host events for people?

Or, you know, just look like amateurs.

Re: Apparently Yelp has a no-fly list

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Post by 7BrQmp6fjvqJQN »

Ensorceled wrote: post #32

I don't understand this point: "I don't hold it against the security guy, he was just following instructions." Why does everybody assume that while what he's doing is awful, he's just following instructions and that he wouldn't do anything truly f'ed up. I would assume that a guy who is willing to take a job that involves excluding a kid from their class field trip based wholly on that kid's name being on some magic…

The student was an adult not a kid. There is a requirement of age 21 and over for the event since they were serving beer. That was very very clear weeks in advanced.

It's not like we are talking about a young child here. The security staff turned an adult away.

Re: Apparently Yelp has a no-fly list

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Post by 7BrQmp6fjvqJQN »

huggyface wrote: post #53
dustingetz wrote: post #15

Standard practice in Manhattan and Philadelphia at most office high-end office buildings. this is the world Americans live in. Yelp isn't in the business of protecting civil liberties. edit: standard practice to deny entry to non-badged persons who aren't on a pre-submited event guestlist. i've seen this, for example, at every tech meetup held in a downtown office building i've ever been to in Manhattan and Philadelp…

Standard practice in Manhattan and Philadelphia at most office high-end office buildings Which part is standard practice? Many take any form of ID and print a badge. I have been to none that do any sort of ID check . Have you been to some that Google you?

It's a private office, they can exclude whoever the fuck they want for any reason they want. They can also use any criteria they want.

Don't like it ? Too fucking bad.

Re: Apparently Yelp has a no-fly list

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Post by jlgreco »

7BrQmp6fjvqJQN wrote: post #75
huggyface wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Standard practice in Manhattan and Philadelphia at most office high-end office buildings Which part is standard practice? Many take any form of ID and print a badge. I have been to none that do any sort of ID check . Have you been to some that Google you?

It's a private office, they can exclude whoever the fuck they want for any reason they want. They can also use any criteria they want. Don't like it ? Too fucking bad.

What a useless comment. Beside having nothing to do with the comment it is in response to, it completely misses the point that while what they did is of course legal, we can still find it inappropriate and complain about it.

Re: Apparently Yelp has a no-fly list

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Post by Hominem »

dustingetz wrote: post #15

Standard practice in Manhattan and Philadelphia at most office high-end office buildings. this is the world Americans live in. Yelp isn't in the business of protecting civil liberties. edit: standard practice to deny entry to non-badged persons who aren't on a pre-submited event guestlist. i've seen this, for example, at every tech meetup held in a downtown office building i've ever been to in Manhattan and Philadelp…

All three office buildings I've working in during the past 5 years would not let you leave the lobby unless you are escorted by a person from the company you are going to visit. The escort also has to have escort rights.

That is different than an escort coming down to the lobby and saying, "ok you, you and you can come up. You over there have to leave the building". That is something I have never seen happen.

Edit: all three have had metal detectors and airport style scanners, really annoying getting stuck in the security line if you forgot your badge and were running late.

Re: Apparently Yelp has a no-fly list

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Post by [deleted] »

Hominem wrote: post #77
dustingetz wrote: post #15

Standard practice in Manhattan and Philadelphia at most office high-end office buildings. this is the world Americans live in. Yelp isn't in the business of protecting civil liberties. edit: standard practice to deny entry to non-badged persons who aren't on a pre-submited event guestlist. i've seen this, for example, at every tech meetup held in a downtown office building i've ever been to in Manhattan and Philadelp…

All three office buildings I've working in during the past 5 years would not let you leave the lobby unless you are escorted by a person from the company you are going to visit. The escort also has to have escort rights. That is different than an escort coming down to the lobby and saying, "ok you, you and you can come up. You over there have to leave the building". That is something I have never seen happen. Edit: a…

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Re: Apparently Yelp has a no-fly list

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Post by [deleted] »

7BrQmp6fjvqJQN wrote: post #75
huggyface wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Standard practice in Manhattan and Philadelphia at most office high-end office buildings Which part is standard practice? Many take any form of ID and print a badge. I have been to none that do any sort of ID check . Have you been to some that Google you?

It's a private office, they can exclude whoever the fuck they want for any reason they want. They can also use any criteria they want. Don't like it ? Too fucking bad.

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Re: Apparently Yelp has a no-fly list

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Post by pyre »

7BrQmp6fjvqJQN wrote: post #75
huggyface wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Standard practice in Manhattan and Philadelphia at most office high-end office buildings Which part is standard practice? Many take any form of ID and print a badge. I have been to none that do any sort of ID check . Have you been to some that Google you?

It's a private office, they can exclude whoever the fuck they want for any reason they want. They can also use any criteria they want. Don't like it ? Too fucking bad.

I believe that we're also free to publicly shame them for having and enforcing idiotic policies.

The only reason that your statement makes sense is if you disagree with me on that. Otherwise, your comment just amounts to "they don't have to listen to you," which should be implicit to everyone here.

If you do feel that we aren't allowed to publicly shame them, then I'd invite you to expand on that idea.

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