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Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by 0xbs0d »

z64 wrote: post #50
casenmgreen wrote: post #31

I trialed Kagi. I liked it, the results were good, no ads, gave me access to Google without being tracked. I would pay for that, except they block Tor, and I normally use Tor.

Heya, this is Zac from Kagi. We do not block Tor - in fact, we recently launched our own self-hosted Tor node[1]. We have had problems with GCP blocking VPN and Tor traffic (mostly the former) when we have made zero configuration to do so. It's quite frustrating, and we have been working with their support to improve this generally. Haven't heard anyone having issues with Tor since we set up the node though :) If you…

I used to have issues with VPNs but it’s been a long time ago. Works flawlessly now.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by ciphix »

This is a promising trial of an innovative pricing model. Many AI products require a $19.9 subscription fee just to try them out, yet I only use most of them a few times a month. For such occasional use, a monthly subscription doesn't seem very practical or user-friendly. I hope AI products eventually move to a usage-based charging model.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by pcthrowaway »

larusso wrote: post #49
vincnetas wrote: post #25

Just recently i was actually thinking about this pricing approach for netflix, apple arcade or whatever else. Basically i use it so rarely that i could just subscribe when i want to watch anything, and unsubscribe immediately. This will enable subscription till end of billing period (one month). Then when i want o watch anything again then i will repeat again. And now kagi has implemented exactly this but automated f…

Isn‘t this the classic gym subscription example? How many people have a subscription and actually don‘t use it. There is an episode of Friends about that. About the fair pricing: Would love to have this also for my car lease ;) But more on a weekly bases.

Gyms get you by making memberships cheap and easy, and cancellations incredibly difficult.

The flip side of that is that only a small fraction of their members could actively use their memberships or they wouldn't have enough space. The active members get their membership effectively subsidized by people who don't use their memberships.

Apparently up to 50% of a gym's sign-ups happen in the month of January due to new years resolutions, and January/February are the busiest months as a result, though the majority keep their membership even after their resolve to go tapers off.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

camhart wrote: post #63
efitz wrote: post #2

Kudos for adopting a user friendly billing policy. I would love to see the FTC mandate a policy that prohibits automatic renewal billing if the service hasn’t been used for some time.

You're assuming there is no cost to the business when the service isn't actively being used. Thats not always the case.

Could you just give the option for them to delete the account if they want to at the same time? I assume most wouldn’t want to, but if it costs them money to keep inactive accounts then they can choose to. Out of interest what sort of services were you thinking of there?

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by dirkc »

This makes sense, if someone isn't using your service for a month, chances are good that they are going to cancel soon. Maybe they'll keep on paying for another few months, but if they're not using it, they're not getting any value from it.

So rather than getting them to cancel, pause their subscription. You don't have to deal with cancellations, and if/when the user does return, you are one step further than you would be with a new subscription.

Furthermore this generates goodwill, and I'm guessing goodwill has some % that converts to conversions and lower churn.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by lyu07282 »

if the plans included the search API for personal use I would almost consider, but brave search+ai is good enough for me, also they blocked my vpn's another big nono

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Post by yellowapple »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #52
yellowapple wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm thinking of the time I had a membership with Anytime Fitness. Entry into the gym entailed scanning a key fob, so it was readily possible to have a record of when I entered, and (relevantly) when I didn't. This was an exact point I raised when they attempted to charge an expired card twice and then sent my bill to collections. The gym staff admitted to remembering that I attempted to cancel because I was moving to…

You’re in Australia? If anything like that happens again, or something like you purchase a second hand car but weren’t supplied the signed registration paper / no receipt… need a day off work due to illness but don’t want to pay to see a doctor / telehealth etc etc You can statutory declaration, a written statement you declare to be true, many professionals can witness them, teachers, dentists, vets, engineers, mostl…

> You’re in Australia?

Negatory. USA.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by raincole »

manx wrote: post #70

Why not directly pay what you use? Similar to how LLM Apis are billed these days.

Because they don't want the users to feel stressful for using their product more.

> LLM Apis...

Yeah exactly, ChatGPT doesn't have this option for their web interface either, only for API. For the same reason.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by neilv »

For the frugal-minded customers, will this be motivation to avoid using the service for the first time that month (and a little sinking feeling when you do)?
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