It would be good if we could create a digital fortress around the US that stopped unwanted things from coming in. Like a firewall for the country. . . .
A Great Firewall.
US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know, you tell me what happend to that Aaron guy that ran Reddit?
Thanks for proving my point. Schwartz was offered 6 months in a minimum security prison, but he declined it because he specifically wanted a trial. Moreover that was for effectively DoSing JSTOR, a much more serious crime than some guy using a vpn to download an AI model. I don't think 6 months was justified, nor the string of crimes he was charged with, but OP's assertion that "You get less jail time for committing…
It's a shame Swartz was downloading JSTOR articles to share. He could have DoS'd half the internet and gotten away scot-free if he'd been training an ML system instead.
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#73This is performative and obviously stupid, but to add some technical color to it: in the alternate universe where this passed, rather than floating around as a signalling tool for Josh Hawley, ordinary violators would see nothing resembling a 20 year sentence.
This statute falls under the 2M5 section of the sentencing guideline (for export violations); it has a base offense level of 14 (15-21 months) and is probation-eligible at that level. There are lots of accelerators for 2M5 offenses, but it's hard to see any of them applying to casual, or even commercial, users of DeepSeek. There are level-reducers that would apply.
(2M5 crimes can optionally be sentenced under 2B1.1, which is what most crimes we talk about on HN, particularly CFAA, are sentenced with; there the penantly would scale with financial damages. Again: hard to see how that would meaningfully apply here).
None of this is to suggest any federal prosecution for using DeepSeek would ever be reasonable. I don't even think Josh Hawley believes that. I think he just feels lonely and left out.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well there’s that and then there is the 2 billionaires with competing social media platforms. Where one is considered a dumpster fire and the other is a retirement home. So why not use that considerable wealth and legislate your competition out of existence.
Zuckerberg came out strongly against the TikTok ban. Unless you mean someone else?
Yeah, 5 years ago. It’s a much larger threat to Meta now. Specifically its gain in GenZ.
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#75A lot of people in this new federal government are terrified of China
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#76If the rationale is to avoid sending data back to Chinese servers, then shouldn't there be a carveout for downloading a model you run locally?
Model? Or Malware?
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#77The cat is out of the bag. Latest gen chips are all the "moat" USA has left, and even that's gonna be cracked by China in a few years. Hopefully Europe will start closer bilateral dealing with China, and not hang itself to the future hermit kingdom of america.
Hopefully, yes. Considering the situation in Germany, Scholz was Biden's errand boy, the prospective new chancellor Merz has worked at Blackrock, even the Germany-first party AfD is led by Weidel, who is ex Goldman Sachs.
In Italy, the purportedly nationalist Meloni has caved in on all issues during the Biden administration and is now courting Trump.
There needs to be a new generation of politicians who remember the more independent days from 1970-2000.
It is a disgrace that first the US led the EU into their pet conflict in Ukraine, (deliberately) ruins EU-Russia and EU-China relations and now Trump mocks the EU, demands Greenland and EU payments to Ukraine to the tune of $200 billion.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
You get less jail time for an insurrection aimed at overthrowing a free and fair election and beating the shit out of cops while doing so.
Truly, what do you even do as the CCP or some other party that would like to spread anti-American propaganda? Literally just point to the actual, factual state of this country and tell me it isn't a rolling joke.
CCP is no stranger to chaos and self sabotage either. China is probably the least affected and most likely still standing in one piece
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
You and I know this isn't how this works. The moment the government wants to punish someone over this they will grab some random kid that's barely done anything and threaten them with the full 20 years to serve as an example to others.
Where's the kid rotting in federal prison for downloading a mp3? Does the music/movie industry not have good enough lobbyists to make an example of a torrenter?
This is a good point. If one thing didn’t happen then a different unrelated thing cannot happen. You would think that the reason for nobody being in jail for downloading mp3s would be that there is no criminal law against downloading mp3s but actu
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#80genius