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New California bill might block the "AI did it" defense in civil cases

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Re: New California bill might block the "AI did it" defense in civil cases

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You can blame it on a car even if the car is not self-driving

I think there's a potential confusion here between different kinds of "blame." If your robot punches a bystander, you're liable for their hospital bills, separately from whether you're culpable for battery.

Perhaps you can cite when this was tested in court, because "robot punches man" isn't something I've noted in the headlines. Otherwise, it's nothing but speculation.

Re: New California bill might block the "AI did it" defense in civil cases

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That is yet a third separate question. Let's recap: 1- Are software developers (whether a company as a whole, or an indepent developer) responsible for the software they develop? 2- When a company develops software, is the responsibility on the company owners, the managers, or the employees or all in shared manner? 3- What is the moral responsibility and what is the legal responsibility in what way are they similar i…

You’re putting in a lot of effort to avoid actually answering any of these questions. I’m sorry if your work leads you to not want those answers. You bear moral responsibility for the outcomes of your actions, whether you do them on your own time or while acting as the agent of a company. You do not get to “transfer” moral responsibility. Soldiers are responsible for their conduct, employees for theirs. And, the over…

You are arguing with a windmill I've never expressed the opinion you assign to me

1- yes 2- i don't know, it depends 3- different for sure, legally it's split in civil and criminal. Morally speaking it's all mostly blabla unless you can assign it to a specific moral ethos like catholic morals. Fun fact the etymology of morals is customs, as in what is usually done by the people.

Re: New California bill might block the "AI did it" defense in civil cases

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It's unclear whether this applies to state law enforcement or only the citizenship. It also seems to focus not on "invalidating the defense" but on "punishing the developers" which is more than a little weird.

> It's unclear whether this applies to state law enforcement or only the citizenship A few months ago I might have pointed out that nobody is above the law. Alas, you now have a damn good point.

If you still thought police obeyed the law a few months ago, that's a pretty damning admission given all the reporting to the contrary over the past decade

Re: New California bill might block the "AI did it" defense in civil cases

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> It's unclear whether this applies to state law enforcement or only the citizenship A few months ago I might have pointed out that nobody is above the law. Alas, you now have a damn good point.

If you still thought police obeyed the law a few months ago, that's a pretty damning admission given all the reporting to the contrary over the past decade

> If you still thought police obeyed the law a few months ago

I didn't say that. I said nobody's above the law.

There are plenty of police who commit crimes. It's sad and unfortunate that many of them get away with their crimes. But many of them also do not.

Re: New California bill might block the "AI did it" defense in civil cases

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So if I write say the ORM code for a system that causes some kind of (completely unknown to me) harm, I'm guilty. Sorry, that doesn't compute for me.

No, but if your employer asks you to write software specifically designed to defraud a financial institution, yes, you are breaking the law.

Except an employer wouldn’t say that. They would break up the project into separate pieces and engineers would work not really knowing what they’re putting together.
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