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Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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I'm the last person you'd use climate change as an argument, I'm generally just frightened by the amount of problems that the governments will have to ignore before they can have their first commercial flight bleeding into ground flights. It's the typical cyclist versus cars problem. I like cycling and I don't like driving and nothing will change that.

> first commercial flight bleeding into ground flights ? > I like cycling and I don't like driving and nothing will change that Nothing has to. If you started advocating for banning cars, on the other hand, you’d expect to see an anti-cycling lobby crop up.

oh I got distracted writing that, I meant real problems with supersonic flight lose relevance and start opening ways to have super sonic flights over ground just to save some time.

Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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Yes and if you're talking about economy you will never be able to set foot on a plane like this either. There are proposals to have this over land as well which I am very strongly against to the point of not wanting a company like this to be successful.

Are you unfamiliar with the work NASA is doing on sonic boom reductions? Or are you too cynical to care?

Very familiar, but even regular planes are loud as hell already since I happen to live between the airport and a holdover route.

Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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> days of showing up at the airport just before the flight are long gone for most folks I show up 20 minutes before boarding, often later, at my small-town airport. For international flights out of JFK, I’ll show up 2 to 3 hours before, but there is still a world of difference between a lounge you can walk around and shower in and even the most luxurious lay-flat suites. NYC > SFO is 2 hours at Mach 1.7; if I’m not c…

Boom isn’t gonna be at small town airports anytime soon. The lounge thing, IMO, is also a challenge for Boom. It’s gonna be a cramped plane. The folks shelling out that sort of coin for a flight expect certain amenities on it.

> Boom isn’t gonna be at small town airports anytime soon

If I’m carry-on only, I try to show up to domestic flights out of JFK an hour before boarding. Between Digital ID and Clear, it’s a fuss if security takes longer than 15 minutes from entering the airport.

> folks shelling out that sort of coin for a flight expect certain amenities on it

Less cramped than Concorde. At $20k NYC SFO, I could see it selling out. You’re only on board for 2 to 3 hours. At $10k or less (Concorde was $13k, inflation adjusted) it’s crossing into prices paid for a lay-flat seat as it is.

Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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I think a lot of people here are missing the point. The idea isn't to just replicate Concorde's flights across the Atlantic Ocean - or any stretch of water for that matter. Their plan would be to have this thing flying over land. The noise issue will be solved either through some feat of engineering or political lobbying. The cynic in me believes it will be mostly the latter.

I super do not want even a muffled supersonic boom crashing over my house! It would definitely breed some significant resentment against the rich to have my house even gently shaking day by day. My gut tells me this is in no way a solvable problem. But I too fear that after it's built, it'll be the LLM story of "yes we had to illegally access & use every book & piece of art in existence to train this, but now that we…

On the plus side you might only need to replace your smashed windows on windy days.

Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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> first commercial flight bleeding into ground flights ? > I like cycling and I don't like driving and nothing will change that Nothing has to. If you started advocating for banning cars, on the other hand, you’d expect to see an anti-cycling lobby crop up.

oh I got distracted writing that, I meant real problems with supersonic flight lose relevance and start opening ways to have super sonic flights over ground just to save some time.

> super sonic flights over ground just to save some time

That’s the intention. My question is why others’ time is of so little value to you?

Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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Even if the noise pollution can be solved (or, as others have said, just run it only over the ocean), I don't see how this thing wouldn't pump out an immense amount of CO2. It's definitely cool and would make flying nicer, but in an era where we're trying to decarbonize, get sustainable aviation fuel going, optimize flight paths to avoid contrail warming, etc... I can't lie, there is a big part of me that hopes it do…

> in an era where we're trying to decarbonize, get sustainable aviation fuel going You don’t see an ultrapremium flight option improving chances for synthetic jet fuel?

Not sure I follow, unfortunately.

Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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> the entire premise of 2-3 hour faster flights over the atlantic is just not that appealing Clearly you don't have kids.

Or aren't interested in buying $10k+ tickets for their kids. For most people this would simply not be an option.

And for many people in that bracket there's the possibility a chartered private jet will be better for their kids to sleep on, and they might more than make up the time going to the nearest airfield to their actual destinations rather than NYC-LHR

Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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The military does not have relatively silent supersonic flight. Only a few US military aircraft models are even capable of supersonic flight, and they're plenty loud. In order to avoid complaints they normally they only fly that fast over designated exercise areas. The Boom aircraft incorporates some quiet supersonic technology but until they actually test it they won't know whether it's actually quiet enough.

> military does not have relatively silent supersonic flight We have one plane—soon to be retired—that can supercruise, i.e. sustain supersonic flight without afterburners, the F-22 [1]. It’s absolutely incorrect to treat this technology as anything but bleeding edge. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercruise

Ability to supercruise mainly only matters for fuel efficiency. It makes little difference to the shock wave volume on the ground. If a Raptor cruises overhead at Mach 1.5 you're going to notice.

Re: Boom Supersonic to break sound barrier during historic test flight today

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As someone who travels cross-atlantic semi-occasionally my price threshold for a 50% shorter flight is 25% increased cost. This is coming from a relatively well off middle-aged software engineer. It is hard to think that this tech will ever be common besides a few "high status" (NY->London) routes like the concord was. It is my understanding that fuel costs increase as speed increases so there is no way this could ev…

Efficiency actually increases the faster you go at some point until a certain limit due to being able to ride the 'boom' turning the energy required to keep the plane up into energy that pushes you forward, there's also special things that happen to friction when you pierce the barrier which are still being researched. Flying higher also means less molecules hitting your cruiser.
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