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Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

#71

Crypto will not be ready for mainstream until effective game-theoretic countermeasures for this kind of thing are built into the protocols.

How does a game theoretic protocol stop someone extorting your friends into paying a ransom for your life? They weren't trying to get into his wallets, but getting his rich friends and relations to pay.

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

#72
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There are multiples alternatives to Ledger, they are the laughing stock of hardware crypto wallets since they've started their online seed backup solution... at least among power users. Coldcard if you aren't into shitcoins, and Keepkey if you partake in them would be my choices. I would have recommended Trezor at some point but their customer data leak tainted their image for me, they've made a lot of their customer…

This isn't true at all. Ledger has not been a laughingstock of the cryptocurrency community. Their hardware wallet has survived multiple attacks that Trezor has not. It has the strongest security model and easiest to use interface of any cryptocurrency wallet intended for regular use.

This sounds a lot like a sales pitch by Ledger, is the next service you are going to sell me involving me sending my seed, online, to Ledger so it can be sent to 3 third parties... because that is what made so many people laugh at them last year. They can add as many layers of cryptographic schemes on this, it so antithetical to what you should do with a seed you want to secure that it ruined their reputation for a lot of people. If you have missed this episode or prefer to forget about it, it doesn't make it less real.

I'll add that even if that didn't make them a joke to you, I am just as concerned by their customer data leak (similar to what I've mentioned above for Trezor) and that alone makes me not want to recommend them, I just didn't mention it as the other point is egregious enough on its own.

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

#75

How does the government of France decide whether your kidnapping is worth sending military tactical teams to rescue you?

They will send them everytime there a situation that the regular police can't handle, if you take your neighbour hostage for exemple, does not mater if you're armed or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIGN

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

#76

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> Only newer currencies you could lock your money into a smart contract, Bitcoin literally has timelockS (multiple kinds) built-in in its scripting since its first release...

I'd believe that necessary primitives are out there, but it's not really enough to have a solution in theory. A crypto project will have to stop such things in practice before they can legitimately claim to have obsoleted the banks.

If your intent is to lock funds for a specific number of blocks or a timestamp/block height you don't need more than these primitives (nLockTime, nSequenc, CLTV or CSV)... the first two are fields in any Bitcoin transactions, the others are scripting instructions. Some wallets allow to use these various flavors, from memory, both Bitcoin Core and Electrum offer some of these timelocks through their UI.

The point was not that this alone would make bank obsolete, but rather that this isn't just something "new" cryptocurrencies feature.

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

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This shows another of the many ways in which a having a trusted third party involved in your finances is actually a good thing.

Arguably the feature that makes kidnappings for ransom unattractive isn't necessarily traditional banks being trusted, but rather that traditional bank transfers are usually reversible (e.g. due to a court order).

And KYC

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

#78
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I think I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often. Maybe I underestimate how good the police are at prevention of this crime.

Or you overestimate how many competent psychos are out there scheming to do anything to make money. Doing a kidnapping and getting a ransom is probably not too hard, but being on the run forever afterwards might not be worth it to most. People with money can hire their own bounty hunters/or plain criminals to go after them afterwards. Or just announce a bounty high enough (in dark channels, your high profile security…

But there’s already a decent chunk of people committing organized violent crime. Cartels set up their own shadow cellphone networks and run submarines. Maybe there are just easier crimes that pay better with a lower risk profile

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

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> If you don't trust Ledger – how much do you trust your VPN provider? They know both your original IP and what you're doing on the Internet (or at least to which services you're connecting). Well, the big difference (for what OP is worried about) is that two distinct companies would need to be compromised instead of just the one.

Exactly, and ip address does not give precise location (unless a third company, the ISP, is also compromised).

I've long dreamed about having "anonymous" internet through coaxial/DOCSIS because the modems should work anywhere on the same node (or maybe even beyond) as long as your connection point is physically connected.

I could put down any name and nearby(ish) address I want...

Re: French police free kidnapped Ledger executive

#80

Crypto will not be ready for mainstream until effective game-theoretic countermeasures for this kind of thing are built into the protocols.

what do you mean? multisig with quorum has been supported by many hardware and software wallets for years. you cannot kidnap one of the signers and steal all the money.

in this case most of the ransom has been blocked which isn't new. many of the major crypto heists ended with arrests due to traceability of the funds or unusable funds due to blacklists.

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