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Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

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Re: Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

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Post by DannyBee »

l0ng1nu5 wrote: post #21
anotherhue wrote: post #4

Paraphrasing an aphorism I saw elsewhere: "Crime is legal now".

“If a law is unjust a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so” - Thomas Jefferson

1. There is no evidence jefferson ever said this

2. There is no evidence anyone else ever said this, either

The closest you get is MLK.

See https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jeffers...

But MLK also talks about moral obligation and not other forms of obligation.

He was not trying to create a free for all where everyone gets to decide which laws are okay or not, because he (and jefferson) were not complete morons.

Re: Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

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Post by Jtsummers »

kevinsync wrote: post #54

I have nothing in particular to say about the dead comments in this very young thread, but they're sort-of-interesting comments to have been killed so quickly! Is it due to HN policy? I guess they're subjective and ideological, and prone to starting arguments rather than debates. Maybe "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity." or "Please don't pick the most provocati…

> I have nothing in particular to say about the dead comments in this very young thread, but they're sort-of-interesting comments to have been killed so quickly!

[dead] is different than [flagged][dead]. [dead]-only (no [flagged]) means they're auto-dead, they aren't killed by someone reviewing the comments (moderator or users flagging). One of the two commenters was shadow banned years ago but still gets vouched for occasionally (including by me at times). The other one was shadow banned (looked through their history) 11 days ago, with a comment from dang at the time stating as much. They also get vouched for on occasion, based on their comment history.

> Maybe "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity." or "Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead."?

dang does usually respond to people with something like that first, then for people who get repeatedly flagged or repeatedly engage in certain kinds of behavior, he bans them.

Re: Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

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Post by kingstoned »

lupusreal wrote: post #60

This conversation is presently flagged. Why? When Ross was sentenced HN had a discussion about it with more than 600 comments. His conviction has been discussed numerous additional times in other threads throughout the years. His pardon is plainly on-topic for HN, and this discussion is a necessary followup to those previous discussions.

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Re: Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

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Post by notyourwork »

ktallett wrote: post #58
cakealert wrote: post #57

I wonder if he is going to be able to launder and cash out whatever crypto he squirreled away. His finances are probably going to be closely watched. Starting a business that accepts crypto payments is going to be a tell.

He has admitted his wrong doings and made efforts to change whilst in prison. I doubt he will go straight back to a life even remotely close to before. He was doing good in prison for other inmates and I imagine he will continue doing the same now he has this second chance.

What the future holds for someone who was pardoned is likely decided based on very different rationalization compared to how one acts while serving a lifetime prison sentence.

Re: Ross Ulbricht granted a full pardon

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Post by notyourwork »

johnneville wrote: post #64
cakealert wrote: post #57

I wonder if he is going to be able to launder and cash out whatever crypto he squirreled away. His finances are probably going to be closely watched. Starting a business that accepts crypto payments is going to be a tell.

does he even need to launder it ? The pardon may cover any proceeds given Trump described it as "a full and unconditional pardon"

Pardoned from the crimes convicted of? Or pardoned from any crime. I found the Biden pardon to be particular egregious because of how vague it was.
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